Panasonic FZ28 or FZ18 deleting photos

Discussion in 'Panasonic Lumix' started by robert, Aug 21, 2008.

  1. robert

    robert Guest

    Hi

    Just got a FZ28 and find I cant delete photos from the PC using the USB
    connection.
    Just get "write protect" message (on PC).
    The SD card I am using was formatted on the camera and is not write
    protected.
    The delete function on the camera works as does using a card reader.

    Is this normal Panasonic FZ28/FZ18 operation ?

    Thanks
     
    robert, Aug 21, 2008
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  2. When transferring picture files from an SD card to the PC, in Windows Explorer
    with both Panasonic Lumix and Pentax cameras, I always "move" the relevant
    files, rather than "copy" them, and that automatically deletes them
    on the SD card.

    They can of course also be deleted using the camera alone.

    That doesn't answer your question directly I suppose, only questions
    why you'd ever want or need to delete pictures on the camera using the
    PC in the first place, unless you'd just transferred them across.




    michael adams

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    michael adams, Aug 22, 2008
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  3. When transferring picture files from an SD card to the PC, in Windows Explorer
    with both Panasonic Lumix and Pentax cameras, I always "move" the relevant
    files, rather than "copy" them, and that automatically deletes them
    on the SD card.

    Perhaps I should add that I move them en bloc to a new folder on the PC, and
    then afterwards delete any that I don't want to keep, from the folder on the PC.

    They can of course also be deleted using the camera alone.

    That doesn't answer your question directly I suppose, only questions
    why you'd ever want or need to delete pictures on the camera using the
    PC in the first place, unless you'd just transferred them across.




    michael adams

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    michael adams, Aug 22, 2008
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  4. robert

    robert Guest

    Thanks for the comments, I would normally use move rather than copy and
    delete (unless I was being paranoid) but
    move still leaves the pictures on the camera.

    Deleting/removing pictures via the USB connection fails however
    attempted ie windows explorer or 3rd party photo management programs.
     
    robert, Aug 22, 2008
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  5. robert

    Alex Monro Guest

    I would strongly suggest that you NEVER delete images from the card
    using the computer, rather copy all images to an empty folder on the
    computer from where you can edit or delete bad ones. Then, after
    verifying the copy, use Format on the camera to clear the card for
    re-use.

    Many people have reported problems with corrupted cards after using
    a computer to delete images - why risk it?
     
    Alex Monro, Aug 22, 2008
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  6. Then try reformatting the card.

    I've "moved" images from around 6 different cards in a Lumix FZ7, FZ8 and a
    pentax K200, using Windows Explorer - both the camera and computer auto detect
    the USB once the camera is switched on, and the Windows pane is refreshed.
    And it always deletes the images in the process though it leaves the empty
    directories behind.

    Possibly the original formatting of your card was at fault.
    You might also try a different card as it never hurts to have at least
    one spare at hand.

    The "delete all" option on the camera menu isn't that hard to find
    anyway ISTR, though I've never used it myself on any of my three.

    michael adams

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    michael adams, Aug 22, 2008
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  7. As a result of further research: if you're using Windows XP and maybe
    others, with the camera plugged in, right click on the icon for any
    directory on the SD card or maybe the card itself: then click on the properies
    option at the bottom of that menu: and then uncheck the Read Only Box
    in the attributes pane at the bottom of the box that comes up.
    Apparently sometimes XP sets the Read Only option to ON by
    default. Although its never happend to me.
    It can also reset it back to Read-Only afterwards, which is a known
    issue apparently

    michael adams

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    Then try reformatting the card.

    I've "moved" images from around 6 different cards in a Lumix FZ7, FZ8 and a
    pentax K200, using Windows Explorer - both the camera and computer auto detect
    the USB once the camera is switched on, and the Windows pane is refreshed.
    And it always deletes the images in the process though it leaves the empty
    directories behind.

    Possibly the original formatting of your card was at fault.
    You might also try a different card as it never hurts to have at least
    one spare at hand.

    The "delete all" option on the camera menu isn't that hard to find
    anyway ISTR, though I've never used it myself on any of my three.

    michael adams

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    michael adams, Aug 22, 2008
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  8. robert

    Ofnuts Guest

    Are you using the "picture transfer" mode ("printer" icon on the dial))
    or the "mass storage" mode (any other icon)? As far as I remember in the
    "picture transfer" mode picture erasure is indeed impossible (which I
    see as a safety measure).

    OTOH I use a card reader (much faster) so I don't really care.
     
    Ofnuts, Aug 23, 2008
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  9. robert

    Ofnuts Guest

    Folk tales. It could have been true in the very early days of
    photography, with bugs in the FAT handling in the camera firmware. I
    can't believe recent cameras suffer from this.

    I have myself performed several hundreds transfer sessions (and the
    corresponding erasures) from my FZ8 and I have yet to see a card failure.
     
    Ofnuts, Aug 23, 2008
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  10. robert

    robert Guest

    Update

    Just had a reply from Panasonic - I had given up waiting !.

    "Camera seen as read only device by PC , so cannot delete pictures via PC"

    So thats sorted that out; had no problem doing this with SONY cameras.

    Thanks for all the comments, will carry on working my way through the
    rest of the menu options of my new toy.
     
    robert, Aug 26, 2008
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  11. Did you tell them what Operating Stem you are using ?

    Because whether or not files are read only in Windows is a file attribute
    not a device or directory attribute.

    This screenshot shows one of the directories on my Panasonic DCMFZ7
    - named as "Removable Disc" in Windows - with the read only check-box
    unchecked. These files will be deleted when the files are moved.

    http://i38.tinypic.com/2hocl5e.jpg

    The only confusion arises because only files, not directories or
    devices can be set to read-only. But to set files as read-only or not
    in Windows its necesary to click the box in the directory pane.

    To enable files to be deleted on moving its necessary to uncheck this
    box, if the default is set to read only.

    To set individual files to read only it would be necesary to use the
    DOS or CMD attrib command.


    michael adams

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    michael adams, Aug 26, 2008
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  12. robert

    robert Guest

    Windows XP SP3
    Have rechecked messages. - "Media is write protected" when trying to
    remove read only tag

    "Disk is write protected" when trying to delete file.

    I assume it is quite possible to make the "read only" or write protect
    part of the USB driver.
     
    robert, Aug 26, 2008
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  13. I give up, you've got me beat. I would have thought the drivers that
    come with all Panasonic cameras would offer the same functionality with
    all the Windows OS's. The above was 98 SE but I use my XP SP2 machine with
    the Pentax K200D - and that deletes files when they're moved o.k. So it can't
    be a problem with XP up to SP2 at least.


    michael adams

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    michael adams

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    michael adams, Aug 26, 2008
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  14. I have seen something similar when a system had been limited/protected in
    group policies for some reason. Even as administrator you couldn't delete
    things if it wasn't allowed in group policies. If the system has ever been
    on a server controlled network this may be the case.

    Secret Squirrel
     
    clandestin_écureuil, Aug 26, 2008
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