Panasonic FZ50 beats the DSLRs (again!)

Discussion in 'Panasonic Lumix' started by Douglas, Nov 14, 2007.

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    Douglas Guest

    The DSLR devotees and worshipers of EOS will not be pleased about this.

    Faced with the need for silence but having instructions to capture the
    ceremony ruled out using a DSLR with their quaint clatter as a spring
    loaded mirror comes to a shuddering halt against hard rubber stops and
    the equally noisy “clack†of their shutters… Instead I used one of my
    Panasonic FZ50 "santa's little helper" cameras in stealth mode.

    No mirror to slap, no vibrations to blur the shot. No need for high
    shutter speed = high ISO… None of that stuff but perfect pictures none
    the less!

    Douglas, Nov 14, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    ROFL! Where can we buy a copy, these are just amazing!!
    Pete D, Nov 14, 2007
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    Doug Jewell Guest

    You should change your nick to "Showbags" - things look ok
    at first, but ultimately it turns out to be just the same
    old shit.
    Doug Jewell, Nov 14, 2007
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    Skinner1 Guest

    So what are you saying here? That there is no one camera that meets
    evry photogaphic need.

    Well, Welcome to the world of reality there sunshine! Glad to see your
    light bulb finally got screwed in! Now tell me, did you figure this
    out all on your own or did you use Google?
    Skinner1, Nov 14, 2007
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    Annika1980 Guest

    Wait a minute. You already said that these pics were taken by Margie.
    So are you now Marg, posting as D-Mac?
    Annika1980, Nov 14, 2007
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    RichA Guest

    Nice enough looking image, for 640 x 420 size. But I agree about the
    silent part, I wish Sony had kept the R1 going and incorporated IS
    because it was silent and had a good sensor, unlike most P&Ss.
    RichA, Nov 14, 2007
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    You are just too cheap to spring for a Leica, or any other real
    range finder camera.

    But then, any 2003 2MPix P&S can do that ...

    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Nov 14, 2007
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    Scott W Guest

    Well if you are happy with you FZ50 great, but I have yet to run into a
    problem with the noise from my shutter. This is kind of like RichA
    telling all of us that we should be having big problems with dust on our
    sensors, just does not happen to me. Same thing with shutter noise,
    just not an issue for me.

    High noise and slow lenses is an issue for me however so when I am
    shooting in low light I will use my DSLR and not my point and shoot. IS
    has very little to do with it since it is people moving not camera shake
    that gives me the most blur, and IS is not going to help that.

    But again if you are happy more power to you.

    Scott W, Nov 15, 2007
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    Andrew Haley Guest

    There's a nasty magenta cast in the midtones.

    Andrew Haley, Nov 19, 2007
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    Andrew Haley Guest

    Sorry, I meant the highlights. I can't tell whether the midtones have
    a magenta cast as well.

    Andrew Haley, Nov 19, 2007
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    Poxy Guest

    You're right - you can see it in the quarter-tones of the folds of the
    dress. And yes, nasty.

    It looks like Panasonic, in attempting to distance itself from the
    disasterous FZ30 by skipping the FZ40 and releasing the FZ50, failed to
    completely fix the colour problems that plagued the FZ30.
    Poxy, Nov 19, 2007
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    Douglas Guest

    What you are seeing there is not a Panasonic reds-in-white issue but my
    Neanderthal approach to working with mixed lighting. The alcove they are in
    front of is lit with fluoro lights. Left unaltered it produces a sickly
    green tinge to the background whilst the body of the church (including the
    dress) is normal daylight with overhead incandescing lights directly above
    the couple... Sort of every photographer's perfect lighting situation! LOL.

    Magenta is easier on the eye than the horrible tinge of a fluoro light. This
    is a picture highly descriptive of what "Mixed lighting" is all about. You
    can't filter for daylight without producing a green tinge where it is most
    noticeable. All I did was correct the whole scene to a warmer looking cast
    by use of "photo filters" than leave the important part green.

    There is no magenta in the dress of the original image, just a horrible
    green tinge to the background. FZ50s do have a problem with saturation of
    red. They are after all an RGB camera using a sensor derived in many ways
    from Panasonic's television cameras. Panasonic has a long way to go before
    they reach the right balance.

    All my FZs have too much yellow and too much red. If you shoot 2/3rd of a
    stop under to prevent UV in white dresses blowing, you actually increase the
    saturation as you lift the shadows. I use a "droplet" in Photoshop to alter
    the hew +10 and pull the red and yellow saturation -15 and -20 respectively.
    The images then look as good as any you'll get from a Canon 20D. Which
    incidentally, also need to have manipulation of their images to render them
    natural too.

    Have a look again and you'll see an image I reduced the warming filter from
    25% to 8% on. I personally think the first picture was more pleasing. The
    green light influence is still prominent.

    Douglas, Nov 20, 2007
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    John Adams Guest

    My DSLR has live view on the LCD so I can lock up the mirror out of the
    way of the LCD and do the same thing.
    John Adams, Nov 20, 2007
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    John Adams Guest

    Easily corrected if need be in Photoshop or The Gimp etc. so that is a
    non issue.
    John Adams, Nov 20, 2007
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    Andrew Haley Guest

    Ah, yes, I see. In which case, you've done a pretty good job of
    fixing a tough problem. However, there's still something I don't
    understand: "hand held at what for a DSLR is impossibly low shutter
    speeds..." But, IME, 1/15 is well within the range of a DSLR with
    image stabilization.

    Andrew Haley, Nov 20, 2007
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    Douglas Guest

    Perhaps ...but you would still have had to (noisily) lock up the mirror.
    House rules forbid that. I get special exemption at (some) churches because
    the FZ50 operates silently. I'm not sure if you can keep the mirror locked
    up or have to reset it with each shot. The FZ50 runs in silent mode all the

    LCD viewfinders is a very new feature arriving on DSLRs. Long overdue too.
    One of my new cameras (which I hope will arrive before Christmas) has this
    feature so my opinion of the best gear for the job could change soon. Also
    if the D3 does have the performance at ISO 3200 it is reported to have, it
    will change forever the way we take low light photos. Unless of course house
    rules forbid cameras making noise!

    Douglas, Nov 20, 2007
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    Annika1980 Guest

    Apparently, not too easily for the idiot who posted the pic.
    His long-winded excuse-filled explanation could have been boiled down
    to, "I'm too stupid to figure out that Layer thingy."
    Annika1980, Nov 21, 2007
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    John Adams Guest

    It stays locked up until you turn off the live view. I could lock it up
    before I enter the church and keep it that way until I either leave or
    the batteries go dead.
    John Adams, Nov 22, 2007
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