Panasonic GS120 How do I download to PC?

Discussion in 'Panasonic Lumix' started by Trevor Appleton, Dec 19, 2004.

  1. Trevor Appleton

    pete Guest

    You are too fecking stupid to own such equipment.
    Take it back to the shop.
     
    pete, Dec 20, 2004
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  2. Trevor Appleton

    Chris Guest

    You probably still have.....
     
    Chris, Dec 20, 2004
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  3. Trevor Appleton

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    Or ask one of the techo whiz kids 'behind the camera' when he is next
    standing in front of one (see one of his other messages).....

    I hope he reads the weather forecast auto-que better than he read his
    camcorder manual !
     
    :::Jerry::::, Dec 20, 2004
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  4. Trevor Appleton

    pete Guest

    He must have seen the warnings "Plant crossing" and thought they were fair game.
     
    pete, Dec 20, 2004
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  5. Oh, here we go again, the bully boys ganging up together.

    AFAICS from the GS120 manual I have downloaded, firewire/PC information is
    obscure to say the least. On page 7 it says

    "DV Terminal - connect this to the digital video equipment"

    Just how could a total beginner decode that statement to mean

    This is the firewire port which connects your camera to your PC.

    While page 48 which says

    "By connecting this Movie Camera to other digital video equipment that has a DV
    Input/Output Terminal with a DV Cable VW-CD1E (optional)"

    actually means use a standard firewire connecting cable from the DV port to your
    firewire port on your computer.

    Your understanding of any instructions is proportional to your basic knowledge.

    Can any of you really look at yourself in the mirror and swear blind that every
    time you have bought a new piece of equipment you know and understand every I/O
    function/socket from reading the manual.

    Stuart

    www.mckears.com
     
    Stuart McKears, Dec 21, 2004
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  6. Trevor Appleton

    Jukka Aho Guest

    But that's not what it means. (OK, it means that _too_, but not
    exclusively.) "Other digital video equipment" does not need to be a
    computer. It might be another DV or D8 camera with the DV connector. Or,
    it could be a stand-alone DV deck. It could also be a stand-alone DVD
    recorder. It might even be a D-VHS VCR.
     
    Jukka Aho, Dec 21, 2004
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  7. Trevor Appleton

    Jukka Aho Guest

    The writers of the manual in question did not see that question asked,
    so it was not answered. Maybe they should have elaborated on what kind
    of devices you can connect and how, but the generic information given in
    the above quote is far more accurate than a segment that would only have
    mentioned connecting the camcorder to a PC, which is not the way how the
    connector is necessarily used.

    As for questioning why Sony doesn't use the name "FireWire", that's
    because it is a trademark of Apple. It must be licenced separately if
    Sony wishes to use it in their manuals or products:

    <http://developer.apple.com/softwarelicensing/agreements/firewire.html>

    They necessarily don't want to do that, even if there is currently no
    fee, because the licence restricts the usage of the name and logo and
    grants Apple the right to revoke it at any time - hence the other
    marketing names for the same connector such as "i.Link" or "DV
    terminal".
     
    Jukka Aho, Dec 21, 2004
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  8. Trevor Appleton

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    He chose not to read his manual, he then asked a question that *could* have
    been answered by reading said manual, lets just remind ourselves what he
    said "The only PC looking connection is USB in ther handbook" - as I said,
    if only he had bothered to read his camcorder manual - he *never* got to the
    point of 'downloading'....
    But IMO it's not a camcorder issue, the camera is about shooting video and
    the manual(s) do cover that, once you want to load your video into a
    computer or dub via a VCR / DVD recorder it becomes an issue for those
    devices - you don't expect to have a hand book with your new digital stills
    camera about how to retouch your images in PhotoShop....
    And surely documented with all but the cheapest editing software ?

    With the commonality and the
    With reams of paper wasted on people who will *never* use the information,
    most either playing the tape from the camcorder or dubbing to a VCR or DVD
    recorder (and remember that most DVD recorders still don't come with an
    IEEE1394 port as standard).
    Oh come on, I could walk into any public library and pick up a suitable book
    (the fact is that there are to many such books on the shelves), even my
    Waterstones branch keeps basic books along side those intended for pro's and
    media students.
     
    :::Jerry::::, Dec 21, 2004
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  9. Trevor Appleton

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    Quite, the issue has become one of a computer, VCR or DVD recorder - not a
    camera issue. Someone could connect the camercorder to a vision mixer and
    project the live image onto a video wall, sould that also be covered in the
    'camcorder manual' ?... The point is, the port *was* mentioned in the
    manual, both what it is and were it is and that it can be used to connect
    the cmacorder to other equipment.
    Which is why I prefer the use the correct name (IEEE1394) and not a
    marketing name.
     
    :::Jerry::::, Dec 21, 2004
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  10. Trevor Appleton

    Jukka Aho Guest

    The manual gave the general case, I didn't. I just explained why the
    manual did that, since the OP seemed to be frustrated about that it did.
    See the licence agreement [1] They say on the last page, and I quote:

    "In printed materials, place a registered trademark symbol (®)
    immediately following the first mention of the FireWire trademark (name)
    in text. Do not use a trademark symbol with the FireWire trademark
    (name) more than once in a communication."

    "FireWire and the FireWire symbol are trademarks of Apple Computer,
    Inc., registered in the U.S. and other countries. The FireWire logo is a
    trademark of Apple Computer, Inc."

    "© 2001 Apple Computer, Inc. All rights reserved. Apple, the Apple logo,
    FireWire, the FireWire symbol, and the QuickTime logo are trademarks of
    Apple Computer, Inc., registered in the U.S. and other countries. The
    FireWire logo is a trademark of Apple Computer, Inc."

    I never mentioned anything about copyright, or "Core Source and Sample
    Code".
    _____

    [1] <http://developer.apple.com/softwarelicensing/agreements/
    pdf/firewiretmlicense.pdf>
     
    Jukka Aho, Dec 21, 2004
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  11. Incredibly rude, as this whole thread.
     
    Tapio Kohonen, Dec 21, 2004
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  12. There is no reference to firewire in the manual. AFAICS (and I'm not going back
    to look) there is no reference to firewire/i-link/1394 cables in the manual,
    there is no reference to 6/4 pin firewire cables in the manual. There is a
    single reference to the DV Terminal as being IEEE1394. There is no reference to
    connecting a PC via the DV terminal.

    So when everybody tells him that he should use firewire to connect his camera to
    the PC, he's completely lost.

    Jerry, with steam coming out of his ears, then posts two places in the manual
    which he understands but are pretty incomprehensible to a beginner as he fails
    to point out that a Panasonic DV Terminal is in fact a firewire port.

    Once again it's the case of people not reading either the actual post or the
    context of the post.

    It's Christmas and it's time for peace and goodwill, eating too much, drinking
    too much and arguing with the relatives so I'm not going to get involved further
    in this thread.

    Happy Christmas.

    Stuart

    www.mckears.com
     
    Stuart McKears, Dec 21, 2004
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  13. Trevor Appleton

    Deep Reset Guest

  14. Trevor Appleton

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    I'll see what I can come up with (when I get the time).
     
    :::Jerry::::, Dec 21, 2004
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  15. Trevor Appleton

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    But that had already been pointed out by at least two other people, and it
    did mean something as the OP replied by saying "Any many thanks its now
    working, I though I'd wasted £500. ", there was no need for me to repeat
    what other had already said.
    Or the OP reading the replies given, if the OP had bothered to read Tony's
    URL (and the camcorders manual) he would have had the answer to his problem.
     
    :::Jerry::::, Dec 21, 2004
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  16. Where?

    The only initial references are to firewire, which isn't mentioned in the
    manual, until Deep Reset at 11:03 posts

    "Is the port maybe labeled "DV"?"

    You start the abuse at 11:17 when in your first post you claim that he should
    have read the F**** manual.

    At 11:22 Trevor posts again indicating that he hasn't yet linked Deep Reset's
    post with the DV Terminal port.

    At 11:56, you abused him again but didn't bother to explain that the DV Terminal
    port is the firewire port.

    At 12:23, Trevor has finally worked that out for himself, or by off list mail,
    and he posts his comment about wasting £500 and, also, makes the entirely
    accurate point about the manual that "Nowhere could I find anything about
    downloading video to a PC"

    You then get into a tit for tat series of posts which seem to have clouded you
    recollection of both the sequence and the incomplete advice that was first
    given.

    It is well worth remembering your schools days. Bad teachers would not explain
    properly and if you didn't understand make you feel that it was your fault. Good
    teachers would explain properly and would feel that it was their fault if you
    didn't understand fully.

    Stuart

    www.mckears.com
     
    Stuart McKears, Dec 21, 2004
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  17. Trevor Appleton

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    And it would have been better if he had kept quite about his employment,
    ignorance is excusable, stupidity isn't....
     
    :::Jerry::::, Dec 21, 2004
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  18. No, I didn't choose to miss it, you are choosing to miss the point that you, and
    your site, talk about firewire/i-link/ieee1394 and you, and your site, don't
    mention "DV Terminal". Trevor's manual talks about the "DV Terminal" and
    doesn't mention firewire/i-link though there is right at the back a single
    mention that .DV Terminal is ieee1394 compatible. There is, also, no mention of
    connecting to a computer other than by the USB port.

    That is the root of the problem.

    You somehow expect a complete beginner to realize and then understand, without
    bothering to tell him and in the space of about 4 hours, that a "DV Terminal"
    port is actually a 4pin firewire port.

    I'm afraid that says more about your abilities to understand problems than
    Trevor's lack of knowledge.

    Stuart

    www.mckears.com
     
    Stuart McKears, Dec 21, 2004
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  19. Trevor Appleton

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    <snip>

    You are either missing posts or you are selectively reading what was said in
    the thread, Tony gave a link to his web page, others mentioned how to ID the
    cable (and it's variants etc. before I entered the thread.

    I suggest you re-read the thread and you will see that he never bothered to
    read his camera manual, he never bothered to read the URL Tony supplied, all
    he did was bleat about things he didn't bother to read up about. Are you
    seriously suggesting that someone who had read a manual, at least one web
    page that has good basic information about digital camcorders, capture of
    Digital Video and the use of a computer to edit video would not have been
    able to put 'DV' and Firewire together and concluded that a DV port is the
    same as a Firewire port ?

    Now, considering that Tony and myself are singing from the same hymen sheet
    on this (a minor miracle...) don't you think that says something ?
     
    :::Jerry::::, Dec 21, 2004
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