Panasonic SD1 SD3 +AVCHD questions

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by marknocera, Jul 21, 2007.

  1. marknocera

    marknocera Guest

    hey all
    just wondering if anyone has a vh04 battery pack for the sd1 etc. if
    so I would be very interested to know your feelings about it,
    thinking of picking one up, if it works. it is avaible on ebay from
    japan for about 90 bucks, wish I could read japanese, the sd1-sd3
    info and parts is so much better on their web site fortunately it has
    a lot of pictures on it, I would recomend if you own one of these
    cameras you check it out, it makes the american site look like a piece
    of crap.

    I am using pinnacle studio 11 to edit, ulead is really slow compared
    to pinnacle, editing in avchd can knock a puter to its knees, I am
    going to put a new computer together just for editing avchd, anyone
    have any input on what I should build Intel or AMD, no I don't want to
    pay a thousand bucks for a chip, looking for a mobo and chip, in the
    range of 5 or 6 hundred, I intend to load up the memory to the max if
    you have a system that works for you please let me know what you
    built.

    one rant I feel somewhat violated, that before the dust setteled on my
    sd1, after paying top dollar at circut city, they bring out the sd3 I
    hope panasonic can do a mod to update my sd1 I would pay to have it
    done, I am sure they won't in their gotchya to bad pal arrogance.
    Don't get me wrong I love the camera, but that thirty percent more
    definition is calling me, and the little voices in my head are saying
    sell,buy,sell,buy,sell buy.

    any info you could give would be appreaciated
     
    marknocera, Jul 21, 2007
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    docimian Guest

    i was wondering what everyone's experience is with the SD1's video
    quality?
    i am playing back on my laptop which has a [email protected] 60hz
    screen..unless i shoot in bright daylight (which looks very good but
    not quite the HD channels on cox)
    , i find there are a lot of compression(?) artifacts / noise in the
    scene. Am i doing something wrong? maybe i should sit further back
    from my laotop?
    I am going to buy an hdmi cable and try it out on my tv (13something x
    768)...should i expect to see less of the noise on the lower
    resolution screen?
    thanks!

    Dan
     
    docimian, Jul 22, 2007
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  3. That's not my experience. True, the video quality in daylight is quite good,
    however, I find the well lit indoor scenes, nearly as good. I do not see
    noise or strange artifacting. This is on my desktop (1920x1200, 24") or my
    new notebook (1680x1050, 15.4").

    Bye.
     
    David Sommers, Jul 22, 2007
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    docimian Guest

    docimian, Jul 22, 2007
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  5. Yes, you are correct in noticing some noise in the shot of the baby, while
    the moist leaves outside look much clearer. There are some settings that
    might help with the way the room was with the baby. In full automatic mode,
    you can try backlight compensation (the sunshine icon) to brighten up the
    baby. Switching to manual mode, you can try the low light scene mode (candle
    icon).

    That room with three 60 Watt bulbs may be just dark enough that noise would
    start showing no matter which shooting mode you use. I recently shot some
    video of my grandchildren playing indoors. The room was lit with more light
    than you had in your case. The results were quite clean.

    I have the Panasonic AG-HSC1UP. This is the so-called professional version
    of the SD1. The main difference is that it has a semi-gloss black body
    finish, and more importantly, that it's tuned to have the true color and
    brightness response of the other camcorders in the Panasonic Pro-Line. The
    SD1, as all consumer type camcorders, is tuned to be vivid. I don't know if
    this makes that much of a difference under these less than ideal conditions.
    I also shoot these indoor scenes with an AG-LW4307 Wide Conversion Lens,
    which I'd expect to not help with the light level, just get more of the
    action when up close.

    Bye.
     
    David Sommers, Jul 23, 2007
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    Ken Maltby Guest

    Do you see any value/use for the new AVCHD tools that
    www.elecard.com have released? The Converter Pro HD
    that isn't available to buy looks interesting to me.

    Luck;
    Ken

    P.S. Sorry if I end up hijacking the thread.
     
    Ken Maltby, Jul 26, 2007
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    Frank Guest


    Ken, I haven't had the need yet to work with AVCHD, so it doesn't
    apply to me, but Elecard offers a downloadable free trial demo version
    of their Converter Studio AVC HD Edition product (U.S. $75).

    http://www.elecard.com/products/products-pc/consumer/converter-studio-avchd/

    As I understand it, the primary purpose of the program is to transcode
    1440 by 1080 AVCHD streams into either HDV compliant MPEG-2 Transport
    Streams or DVD-Video compatible MPEG-2 Program Streams, thereby
    allowing either editing of the footage or simply burning to a DVD. The
    input data can also be saved in the form of MPEG-2 Elementary Streams.

    The product is based around the use of eleven different DirectShow
    filters, and supports the use of Avisynth scripts. I may be wrong
    about this, but I don't think that the program supports 1920 by 1080
    AVCHD files, such as those produced by the Panasonic HDC-SD3
    camcorder, nor am I certain how it handles 5.1-channel Dolby Digital
    AC-3 sound tracks.

    If you should happen to give the program a try, please be so kind as
    to let us know your findings. Thank you.
     
    Frank, Jul 26, 2007
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    Ken Maltby Guest

    As a big fan of GraphEdit, I really like having the filters available.


    That isn't the one that really interests me, though. The one I want is
    their "Converter Studio ProHD". You might guess why, if this link
    works.

    http://www.elecard.com/products/compare_table.php?product_id=converter-studio-pro

    Oh, and the chart addresses your resolution and audio questions.

    Luck;
    Ken
     
    Ken Maltby, Jul 26, 2007
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    Frank Guest

    I fell in love with GraphEdit the first time I used it. I described it
    to my (then current) GF as "pure sex". I'm not certain that she
    understood, however.
    Figured as much.
    The link works, although I don't know why you would prefer Converter
    Studio ProHD aside from the fact that, being the top of the line
    model, it has the most capability.
    Not that I can see. The chart, which I've previously viewed in the
    past, covers the output side of the equation (audio and video encoding
    and multiplexing). It doesn't address the input side of the equation.
    IOW, whether 1920 by 1080 AVCHD files are acceptable for input to the
    program. Same question WRT 5.1 Dolby Digital audio. Or perhaps I'm
    misinterpreting something and you're seeing something in the chart
    that I'm missing.
     
    Frank, Jul 26, 2007
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    Ken Maltby Guest

    You are right, it only lists for the encoding, you can't tell about
    the input from the chart.

    I suppose I could get by with the "Converter Studio" package,
    the VC-1 filters should be available from MS. The reality is
    I probably will stick with TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress, in any case,
    as it is doing a good job and includes most of the premium
    features listed in the chart.

    Luck;
    Ken
     
    Ken Maltby, Jul 26, 2007
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    Frank Guest

    Yes, that's how I read it.
    I believe that you should be able to encode to VC-1 using free
    software from Microsoft, although there are some commercial products
    available for doing this. Should you ever find yourself heavily
    involved in this, the following Web page may prove to be useful,
    especially the WMV9 PowerToy program.

    Windows Media Video Tools
    http://www.citizeninsomniac.com/WMV/

    For a more rigorous description of the registry settings that can
    affect WMV encoding, please see the following article by Jay Loomis on
    the Microsoft Web site.

    Using the Advanced Settings of the Windows Media Video 9 Advanced
    Profile Codec
    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/howto/articles/codecadvancedsettings.aspx

    Most pros these days are using the Sonic Solutions CineVision PSE
    (Parallel Stream Encoder) product for their VC-1 encoding needs.

    CineVision PSE
    http://www.sonic.com/products/Professional/Cinevisionpse/
     
    Frank, Jul 27, 2007
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    jerry Guest

    Editing AVCHD is a piece of cake if you use the Cineform "Neo HDV"
    codec ($249).

    Here: http://tinyurl.com/249owv

    I own a Sony HDR-UX1 AVCHD DVD disc camcorder.

    And I'm editing the footage from this AVCHD camcorder on my slow
    Gateway laptop:

    http://tinyurl.com/hagye

    As you can see, it's just a 2.4 GHz Mobile AMD Athlon 64 notebook
    computer.

    Yet, I'm cutting AVCHD-originated clips with ease.

    Scrubbing is easy... almost as easy as DV .avi.

    Previewing is fabulous.

    How is this possible?

    I convert the AVCHD source files to Cineform .avi files and the
    quality is preserved so well I would not have believed it had I not
    tried it.

    ***Note: My Pinnacle Studio Ultimate 11 does not appear to be
    compatible with the Cineform .avi files.***

    So I'm editing the Cineform .avi files with Corel VideoStudio 11 Plus
    and Corel MediaStudio Pro 8.

    Now, Corel (formerly Ulead) made a big deal about native editing of
    long GOP HDV MPEG-2 here:

    http://www.ulead.com/spotlight/hd/runme.htm

    Apparently, they didn't know about the bug in their software that
    impacts long GOP (MPEG/HDV/AVCHD) native editing.

    While they offer a great theory; in practice it doesn't work so well.

    And you're right.

    Normally, the processor and graphics chip needed to edit AVCHD
    *natively* would seem to require a massive upgrade.

    But for those who can't spend hundreds (thousands?) on a new editing
    system, I would respectfully submit that Cineform .avi files are the
    way to go for many of today's average computers.

    If you try it, be sure to have an AVCHD decoder on your system that
    works in Microsoft Windows Media Player to play AVCHD transport stream
    files.

    I bought the CyberLink "HD264 Pack" plug-in for Microsoft Windows
    Media Player ($39.95).

    Here: http://tinyurl.com/yltroq

    That installed the CyberLink AVCHD decoder on my system.

    Next, I use Cineform's included "HDLink" conversion utility to convert
    the AVCHD (.M2TS) files to Cineform (.AVI) files; this "HDLink"
    application "sees" the CyberLink decoder and then converts the AVCHD
    to Cineform.

    Then I edit with ease.

    Then I export to whatever format... WMV HD or HD MPEG-2 or AVCHD.

    It is a myth that a fast computer is required to edit AVCHD.

    Consequently, it is a myth that AVCHD is difficult to edit if the
    Cineform method is used.

    Once you do the conversion to Cineform, the editing is so easy you
    have to see it to believe it.

    Jerry Jones
    http://www.jonesgroup.net
     
    jerry, Jul 28, 2007
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