Panorama software (Which do you use)

Discussion in 'Australia Photography' started by Father McKenzie, Jan 3, 2008.

  1. Recently started using PTGui and have been very impressed with the results.
    Taking lake/beach panorama's I have found photoshop CS3 doesn't stitch
    at all especially when it comes to water movement and waves. It does the
    dark WE CAN'T JOIN HERE line. Autopano seems to curve the horizon and
    won't let you level it out.
    After a couple of tests with PTGui it seems to be more manual than
    Autopano. Seems to blend a lot better and doesn't leave the photo
    looking flat.

    About to get the latest Autopano pro (1.4?)which they say doesn't cut
    things in half if it is a moving object, will see how it goes.
     
    Father McKenzie, Jan 3, 2008
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  2. I also use PTGUI and am very impressed, even though I haven't yet
    added Enblend/Smartblend (which does the not-cut-in-half thing).

    It's ability to automatically straighten, handle very large images and
    its excellent exposure/color blending won me over from the pain and
    suffering I was getting from other pano programs..
     
    mark.thomas.7, Jan 3, 2008
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    PixelPix Guest

    You gotta get them Mark. ;-)
     
    PixelPix, Jan 3, 2008
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  4. One of the things that impressed me with PTG is how quick it saves an
    image over autopano (not sure if it has changed in the latest one).
    PTG saves a huge image in around 10 seconds where AP can take several
    minutes to render it to a save location
     
    Father McKenzie, Jan 3, 2008
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  5. I've only ever managed to get one decent stitch job out of Photoshops
    photomerge tool.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/swampy_bogtrotter/1909329806

    I've had far better, and more satisfactory results from manually merging and
    stitching the images together. It takes time, but I prefer the results
    because I have more control over them.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/swampy_bogtrotter/1233966661

    I'm going to have a look into the other applications you mentioned, as I'm
    really not satisfied with how photoshop attempts to auto-stitch composite
    images.
     
    \(not quite so\) Fat Sam, Jan 3, 2008
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    Scott W Guest

    I agree, Smartblend is a must have plugin, Endblend does not see to
    work as well.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Jan 3, 2008
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  7. I agree regarding the PS stitch tool - it sucks. I have more success
    using the tool provided with Canon s/w. One would think that Adobe
    would get it right.
     
    AxisOfBeagles, Jan 4, 2008
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    ray Guest

    I have used panotools in the past - hugin and enblend and all that. I have
    found that the pandora plugin in GIMP is much faster and generally does
    all I need or want. It's main limitation is that it will only take one
    series of shots from left to right - i.e. won't handle a matrix of photos
    and must be properly ordered.
     
    ray, Jan 4, 2008
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    Paul Furman Guest

    I believe that's also a good one for de-fishing fisheye lenses, no?
    Any other programs good for this?
     
    Paul Furman, Jan 4, 2008
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    D-Mac Guest


    There are two versions of PTGUI. The "Pro" version is in My opinion, the
    only one worth having.

    Having said that... I use Corel PhotoPaint to manually assemble my complex
    panoramas. Many of which are opportunistic in that I didn't take a tripod or
    pano head with me and later decided the photos needed to be destined for big
    prints. Photo Paint gives me much more control in fixing errors like wave
    mismatches that no automatic program can ever hope to do.

    Here are some examples of a simple and 2 complex panoramas I assembled by
    hand using Corel Photo Paint which is way easier to use for this task than
    Photoshop.

    Parts from the bottom example have been posted and commented on before. The
    only person in these groups who has actually seen a print of it is Colin D
    from New Zealand whom I sent a print of the right hand portion. About 3 feet
    wide as I recall.

    I guess the trolls dogging my every post and accusing everyone from the Dali
    Lama to the drover's dog of being me will take this opportunity to rag me
    again. with taunts "Bullshit it can't be done" and "Oh look, I found an
    artefact".

    The difference between them and me is that I do it for a living, they just
    dream about doing it.

    So father...
    By all means use Ptgui. It's a toy program good enough for many people. Keep
    in mind that if you can't fix the nodal point of the lens or you shoot
    moving objects (waves, birds, cars etc) as part of a pano, you won't get
    much joy from any automated program.

    Serious stuff needs rolled up sleeves and requires you to get down and dirty
    with a program you can add bits and pieces of images sometimes not related
    to the finished work ...when you get serious about it. I also use a GWS Fuji
    panorama camera when I can be bothered with film!

    Douglas
     
    D-Mac, Jan 4, 2008
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    PixelPix Guest

    Based on those examples.... I'm convinced!! lol
     
    PixelPix, Jan 4, 2008
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  12. Well, I can report it certainly handles stitching up a pile of very
    casually handheld shots taken at 28mm equiv, with lots of bent/curved/
    tilted buildings and other problems... Example here (note the 'half-
    bus' - yes, I must get that Smartblend thingy..) (~1Mb):
    http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/pano2_small.jpg
    That was a quick/dirty, default settings, no-user-intervention stitch
    of six (I think?) images (non-DSLR). Only adjustments were a quick
    levels change to fix underexposure, and a resize to about 40% of
    actual size. I was testing out this location for when I come back to
    do it more seriously later. The original images were badly
    underexposed (about 2.5 stops - stoopid operator error!), and the
    shots really were randomly tilted and distorted. Yet PTGUI sailed
    through it, with only a couple of very minor seam issues (mainly due
    to my lack of intervention!).

    OK, it's hardly fisheye correction, but it bodes well...
    If PTGUI doesn't do what you want, try PTLens maybe? I don't use it
    for de-fish-eyeing, but it handles pincushion/barrel/CA etc very well.
     
    mark.thomas.7, Jan 4, 2008
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    Annika1980 Guest

    That "PS stitch tool" you refer to is called PhotoMerge and it works
    quite well in CS3.
     
    Annika1980, Jan 4, 2008
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  14. The Pro version supports HDR merge/stitch, vignette correction, and
    global exposure/colour correction, iirc. Other than that they are
    identical. I've not used any of those functions yet so can't comment.
    ???? Mmm. Those 'examples' are proof positive!

    Hint to Doug, if he still hasn't got it - SOMEONE FORGOT TO POST THE
    LINK.
    How positively strange. Here:
    http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.photo/browse_frm/thread/40e6244692d7982a
    Douglas refers to the print he sent Colin in the following (typically
    enraged and somewhat incomprehensible) way:
    In other words, Douglas was claiming that image was a straight
    enlargement demonstration. There is no mention whatsoever of it being
    a stitched panorama. If it was a stitched image, it is hard to see
    how that wouldn't be cheating...

    Or, to give him the benefit of the doubt, is he talking about
    *another* image? I'm sure he can clarify this...

    Perhaps Colin D would like to comment.
    Only the bullshit parts. Your comments about PTGUI are fine. We'll
    just wait for the examples, shall we?
    Sorry, what was the name of that chain of stores again? Or the
    'Global Print Centre'? So many folk are clamouring to try them
    out... Yet you and your website are both silent on the matter.
    Certainly shooting at the nodal point is very useful when you have
    foreground objects, but there are programs that can help handle these
    issues quite well - Smartblend being one of them..
     
    mark.thomas.7, Jan 4, 2008
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    Jeff R. Guest

    links?
     
    Jeff R., Jan 4, 2008
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  16. What examples?
    It may be a toy program but is does the job for me and millions of other
    users.

    Add stuff in? Doesn't it then change from photography to artwork?

    I also use a GWS Fuji
     
    Father McKenzie, Jan 4, 2008
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  17. ok, alright, I give in!! Have just installed smartblend, and..

    Hey, it works! (O; I've only done a couple of test runs, but it has
    done a remarkably good job - eg the half-bus vanished perfectly in my
    example, and it seems to have cleaned up a couple of other tiny seam
    errors. T

    There'll be nothing left for me to do, at this rate....
     
    mark.thomas.7, Jan 4, 2008
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  18. Have you also found a program that takes the next lot of photos for you :)
     
    Father McKenzie, Jan 4, 2008
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    Pete D Guest

    Autostich works for me.

    And I do some big panos and print them like this one.

    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2319/2162008230_37828a8830_o.jpg
     
    Pete D, Jan 4, 2008
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    Colin_D Guest

    I commented at the time that it was a competent print, a 24 x36 inch
    blowup from a 20D. I was not able from looking at the print, to know
    whether it was cropped or not, or stitched. I saw no indication of
    stitching, and the aspect ratio was exactly 3:2, so I doubt if stitching
    was involved.

    As for a prolonged silence, I refuted that at the time.

    Colin D.
     
    Colin_D, Jan 4, 2008
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