Panosonics new cam 24 frames

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by lr, Aug 19, 2003.

  1. lr

    lr Guest

    Let me see if my feeble mind understands the AG DX-100 concept. The only
    advantage in shooting video in 24p is that it looks good on TV because it
    looks more like film. But if one has to transfer the same 24P video to film
    for a feature film, it will still cost both arms and two legs. I am not
    putting this camera down, I just want to know if it is worth it to get this
    camera. I believe there are still guys like me that are still in the dark
    about this pulldown stuff and that is going to make a lot of them wait until
    there is more information put on on this camera. There are also many that
    do not have the right software to edit this type of video. I definiately
    want to upgrade from my PD-150 to something like HD or 24P, but I am not
    completely ready to take the plunge.

    Leo
     
    lr, Aug 19, 2003
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    MitchGross Guest

    Alright, let me try to explain. It looks more pleasing on video because the
    motion rendering is the same as film transferred to video. It looks more
    pleasing scanned out to film because it can be done frame for frame for fewer
    oddball motion artifacts. And it's a very nice little camera for the price.

    Sorry I can't help you on the cost of scanning out to film. But those prices
    are dropping everyday.

    Mitch
     
    MitchGross, Aug 19, 2003
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  3. lr

    MitchGross Guest

    Oh, and I forgot to mention that pretty much all the major editing platforms
    have or will soon have plugins available to take full advantage of the 24p
    options from this camera. But even if you don't have this, if all you want is
    to finish to video then you just edit the footage as you always did and
    everything will work just fine. It's only for a Film Out finish that
    extracting the true 24p frames makes a difference.

    Mitch
     
    MitchGross, Aug 19, 2003
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  4. lr

    lr Guest

    I am getting more information as you posted, so I seem to understand it more
    and leaning toward getting one
     
    lr, Aug 19, 2003
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    Mike Kujbida Guest

    Mike Kujbida, Aug 19, 2003
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  6. lr

    lr Guest

    Check out the website and will have to take a break to read it all, but I
    fail to mention that I really would like also is a camera that would shoot
    16:9 altogether. I do not think that there will be a camera (prosumer
    prices) that does not need to have that special lens added to shoot in this
    mode. My work around this format is to shoot widescreen with my PD-150 and
    burn it to a DVD so that all can view without having to adjust their tvs. I
    am still interested in the Panosonic 100 if it has the XLR inputs.
     
    lr, Aug 20, 2003
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  7. Charles Tomaras, Aug 20, 2003
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  8. It's only for a Film Out finish that
    This is not completely true Mitch. Here's an excerpt from the Sonic Foundry
    article I posted in my other reply.

    Putting 24p instead of 60i on DVD offers up to 20% more efficiency, which can be
    used for storing more

    video on a DVD or for a higher bitrate (and therefore better quality) video. For
    these and other reasons,

    many people are interested in putting 24p on DVD, just like the movies you can
    buy or rent on DVD.

    While the MPEG-2 standard supports "progressive" frames at arbitrary frame
    rates, the DVD specification

    does not allow it. NTSC DVD MPEG-2 is strictly 60i. However, due to a pair of
    MPEG-2 flags called "top

    field first" and "repeat first field," only four frames need to be encoded for
    every 10 fields of video (just like

    pulldown). The player effectively creates the 2-3 pulldown to 60i while decoding
    these flags. The Vegas

    4.0b MPEG-2 encoder can create these flags during encoding of 24p material for
    DVD. The final DVD is

    completely compatible with any standard DVD player, and so-called "progressive"
    output DVD players can

    use the TFF/RFF flags to decode the original 24p material. Most theatrical
    movies released on DVD use

    this method of encoding.
     
    Charles Tomaras, Aug 20, 2003
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    MitchGross Guest

    It's only for a Film Out finish that
    Yes you are correct. I should rephrase my statement to read "It's only for a
    Film Out finish or DVD mastering (or uprezzing to HD) that extracting the true
    24p frames makes a difference as these are the only formats that can take
    advantage of true 24p material."

    Mitch
     
    MitchGross, Aug 20, 2003
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