PC specification for DV editing

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by Pandora, May 23, 2004.

  1. He wouldn't be asking here then, would he?
     
    Laurence Payne, May 24, 2004
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    Jerry. Guest

    That has always been the case, TV, radio, and now video employment has
    always been like that - the problem these days is the number of ex broadcast
    people going SE after redundancy AIUI.
    Yes, I've always viewed weddings as barge-pole territory, all the tea in
    china wouldn't get me involved, certaily not with just a single camera or
    two.
    I could understand wanting to go in as a camera operator (assuming his show
    reel was good) but HTF could he ever expect to be able to direct, for one
    thing he would have little or no respect from those he had to direct (I can
    hear them now, "WTF does he know, he has only been in the business a couple
    of months")!
    We must stop agreeing all the time Tony, it's un nerving ! :~)
    The number of colleges that are making a pigs ear of media courses has to be
    seen to be believed. :~(

    I wonder if this thread will entice Darcy to respond, by the sounds of
    things his college are one who is doing thing correctly.
     
    Jerry., May 24, 2004
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    Jerry. Guest

    <snip>

    Welcome back !

    How did you get on with that new system you were building, anything to
    report regarding Liquid Edition ?
     
    Jerry., May 24, 2004
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    Jerry. Guest

    Yes, why not, just because this is a 'rec' group it doesn't mean (nor should
    it mean IMO) it's just recreational, the rec.video.production group probably
    has more pro and semi-pro people posting than it does recreational - the
    problem is most people talk dollars and NTSC so is to some extent of limited
    use for tech' problems etc this side of the pond.

    As to why he doesn't ask the college staff, follow the discussion regarding
    media courses...
     
    Jerry., May 24, 2004
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    I'm reminded of the saying that was formulated some years ago...
    "Those that can, do; those that can't, teach".
    More true today than in yesteryear.

    About six months ago I was invited to do an interview for a BBC Radio
    program. They were also doing interviews with various students and staff
    at the IT department of our local college. Because of one thing and
    another, I was there for a long time and spent some time in the canteen
    - some of the time sharing a table with the college principal. I
    casually asked her how many of her IT staff came from industry and she
    responded "I'd sooner recruit a teacher than a technician or engineer -
    they stick to the curriculum". A little later I asked "how many of your
    students get jobs in IT?" and she responded (with some pride I might
    add) "eighteen percent".

    I must admit I had a great deal of difficulty in biting my tongue :)
     
    Tony Morgan, May 24, 2004
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    You were overpaid :)

    When I started out (in what is today called "avionics") I was paid the
    princely sum of 10s 5d (ten-and-six in real money) a week. For the
    youngsters around here that is just over one-and-a-half pence per hour.
    After three years I was earning just over £11 per week - and that was a
    good rate of pay at that time.

    Prior to retiring nearly three years ago, I was earning between £300 and
    £400 per day as a consultant/contractor. And during my latter working
    years I was *never* asked for qualifications.
     
    Tony Morgan, May 24, 2004
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    In message <>, Laurence Payne
    Or "How To Become an Oliver Stone in Three Weeks".
     
    Tony Morgan, May 24, 2004
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  8. I was musical director for a show at a college not far from London
    recently. Drama dept put on the show, media department recorded it,
    videoed it - the usual thing.

    The guys running the media courses had excellent professional
    pedigrees. Some of them had developed questionable attitudes.
    Perhaps they felt they had come down in the world. But they knew
    their stuff.
     
    Laurence Payne, May 25, 2004
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  9. Thanks, but I've never been away. It's just that most of the time I've
    not felt able to add anything to what is being said.
    Time has been the enemy. I currently have a working 2 x Xeon 3.2 GHz
    machine with 2GB of RAM and a 4 x 73 GB SCSI RAID0 video disc...
    ...but not yet got around to installing Edition. There is no huge
    incentive while my ancient Sony keeps working, it's not going to be as
    fast as that, it's more of an insurance against failure. Having been
    to the Broadcsat Production Show last week I'm convinced that Edition
    is not going to be suitable for my peculiar needs. (**). I thoroughly
    checked out Avid at the show and that was slower than my five year old
    Sony and the only system that looked like it might do the job
    reasonably well was Canopus Edius, possibly with a Storm card.

    I need to transfer the edited timeline to Windows Media or similar
    files in the shortest possible time. I generally don't need to output
    to tape. Systems that claim real time rendering all fall down when not
    outputting to tape.
    -
    Malcolm
     
    Ma1colm Knight, May 25, 2004
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    Jerry. Guest

    Yes, but as Tony touched on in another post, it's not what they know but
    what they are allowed to teach that matters. Yes many can (read - are
    allowed to') 'strut their stuff' on special occasions but they are limited
    in the normal day to day teaching of the subject.
     
    Jerry., May 25, 2004
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    Mmmm... Attitude has a lot to do with doing any job with any sort of
    success. Maybe that's why they failed in the job of their choice and had
    to revert to teaching :)
    No doubt there are many like that, but ISTM that the problems of
    trained/qualified but non-experienced lecturers is exacerbated since
    it's this same latter group who (since they're often so inept at
    teaching) progress into the gang of lobotomised wood-lice who formulate
    the syllabi.

    Unfortunately for our kids, it's a characteristic that seems to have
    percolated right down our education system - right down to play-school.
    The wife of a guy I know teaches 3rd and 4th form youngsters maths and
    science and she only got B-grade GCSEs in Geography and History at
    school. Two years at teacher's training college and she's got a B Ed,
    and can be called upon to teach anything that she knows nothing about.
    She's quite open about it and freely admits it's a serious problem, but
    with "rationalisation" of the schools in her area she had the choice of
    being without a job or teaching Maths and Science. And she says that
    they can't recruit Maths and Science graduates into teaching. She says
    that soon she'll have the opportunity to become a Careers Advisor for a
    group of schools in her area - I couldn't hold myself back and asked
    "You feel you have the experience to advise on careers?". She responded
    with a smile and a shrug "I know".

    The thought often occurs to me that many of the problems with
    pupil-discipline in our schools stems from lack of confidence of pupils
    in their teachers.
     
    Tony Morgan, May 25, 2004
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    Four years ago I was engaged by a local college as a guest lecturer (in
    the specialist field in which I was working as a consultant after
    several years experience). I had my knuckles quietly wrapped on several
    occasions by the full-time tutor for the course for not sticking to the
    exact letter of the syllabus - though everything I presented was
    relevant to one or other of the subjects. I got the impression, however,
    that she was simply pissed off because her lectures were attended
    regularly by only about ten of the 28 students, whereas I always had a
    full-house.

    I must say that I thoroughly enjoyed it and seemed to generate
    enthusiasm in all the students. I had, however, to give it up because I
    was working on a demanding contract in the City (40 miles away) and it
    became increasingly difficult for me to keep to my timetable. And I was
    able to place three of the students who had made the effort to keep in
    touch with me after I had to give it up.

    The course was in a subject in which a high proportion of the graduates
    could soon expect to began to work self-employed - but there was
    absolutely no coverage of the business side of the "business". The other
    thing that was (from my experience) essential in the "business" - that
    of job/contact networking - was not even mentioned on the course.
     
    Tony Morgan, May 26, 2004
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    E. Greenbank Guest

    I'll agree with this advice.
    But whats wrong with onboard audio?

    E.'
     
    E. Greenbank, May 31, 2004
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    SjT Guest

    There's nothing i like more than finding a love letter from "E.
    It takes up resources, whereas a pci audio card will be using it's own
    resources. There's nothing 'wrong' with them as such, as they sound
    and perform fine most of the time, it's just that when you start
    having problems, they don't help.

    Onboard video is the worse, it's just totally pointless i beleive as
    the equivalent gfx card is only about £7 and it eats into resources.
     
    SjT, Jun 1, 2004
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    E. Greenbank Guest

    Oh right... Well mine has on board audio...all the cheap ones have it. And I
    couldnt arsed messin with a seperate sound card. So it didnt bother me
    getting the onboard.
    Going off topic here, but I wanna get DV Express for my PC. What are your
    thoughts/advice on this? I'm not impressed by the video effects with vegas.
    I want a rumble/earthquake effect, and some kind of effects that implode the
    video in response to the song audio track.
    (Just get on MSN, you tool :p)

    E.'
     
    E. Greenbank, Jun 1, 2004
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    Jerry. Guest

    Surely that depends on who it's been implemented, lets faces it, it plugs
    into a PCI slot anyway IYSWIM ?....
     
    Jerry., Jun 1, 2004
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    SjT Guest

    There's nothing i like more than finding a love letter from "Jerry."
    I'm a bit confused with this, i'm guessing you mean 'how its been..'
    and 'AGP slot' ?!

    But onboard components usually share resources from the motherboard
    that would normally be contained on the card.. i.e. graphics memory,
    processor. It's nice to have a real card where the motherboard can
    say "Ok do this and i'll be back in a nanosecond to collect it" other
    than "Well, ok, you do half and i'll do half but i gotta try and
    process some information over the other side too!".

    Argh! My computers talking! :D
     
    SjT, Jun 2, 2004
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    If I can perhaps add my 2-pence worth...

    In essence, any graphic facility (whether on-board) or on a graphics
    card, maintains a "mimic" of your screen which must be held in memory -
    and with (say) 24-bit colour that amounts to a fair amount of memory.

    A graphics card has its own memory so alleviates the overhead otherwise
    required from your computer's memory. Graphics card specs indicate how
    much memory they have, and the more memory the higher the cost. Graphics
    cards also sometimes (usually) support the advanced video instruction
    sets, making them faster.

    The on-board video chip is a sort of processor, so there shouldn't in
    theory be much overhead on your PCs CPU - but due to various reasons
    there is.

    So a graphics card is a 'good thing' - especially if you're into games
    or video.
     
    Tony Morgan, Jun 2, 2004
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    Jerry. Guest

    Yes and no ! Sorry my mistake, I was referring back to on-board sound.

    I agree with all you say about on-board video - invention of the devil....
     
    Jerry., Jun 2, 2004
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