Pentax K10D and Samsung GX-10

Discussion in 'Samsung' started by Bob, Jan 11, 2007.

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    Bob Guest

    These two cameras seem identical apart from the name plates
     
    Bob, Jan 11, 2007
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    Rob Guest


    I just looked over an article that listed these 2 cameras, along with
    the D80 and Rebel.

    It gave a pretty brief but god going over. I "think" it was Popular
    Photography.


    Rob
     
    Rob, Jan 11, 2007
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    Bill Guest


    Reviews seem to agree that it is merely a Pentax K10D with rebadged
    camera and lenses, along with a few Samsung adjustments likes a
    different menu, software, etc.

    I guess Samsung wants a bigger piece of the DSLR market and bought the
    Pentax design so they could jump further into the game without much
    fuss, similar to how Sony jumped in with the purchase of Minolta.
     
    Bill, Jan 11, 2007
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    John Francis Guest

    A little more than that - the GX-10 has some cosmetic changes
    (different size and shapes for the buttons, etc.), and runs a
    somewhat modified version of the firmware. But the internal
    underpinnings are the same - it is basically the same camera.

    (The same is true of the other Samusung DSLR models; they are
    just rebadged versions of earlier Pentax digital cameras).
     
    John Francis, Jan 11, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    Also RAW format on the Samsung is DNG only.
     
    Pete D, Jan 14, 2007
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    G.T. Guest

    Is there much of a price difference on the street between the two? I'd
    take a DNG only camera, especially if it was a few bucks cheaper.

    Greg
     
    G.T., Jan 14, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    For a few bucks I will stick with the Pentax, I have a little more faith in
    Pentax firmware updates and I am a name snob anyway because it matches my
    other four Pentax cameras.
     
    Pete D, Jan 14, 2007
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  8. But check out the Samsung versions of the Hoya-made Pentax lenses
    (Samsung only has the models made by Hoya and branded as
    Schneider-Kreuznach). They are really neat cosmetic designs, a
    well-integrated set of lenses visually, and look the works. If you buy
    Samsung and stick with their own lenses the result would be a neat kit.

    David
     
    David Kilpatrick, Jan 14, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    Do you know if they are MTF compatible for program mode on the Pentaxes, to
    be honest I have not seen them here in Australia but they did look
    interesting? Any Primes?
     
    Pete D, Jan 14, 2007
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  10. They are fully compatible. They are the same as the Hoya-made lenses in
    the Pentax range, which are also available independently as Tokina
    lenses - Hoya's own brand. Pentax has relied on this range for some of
    their innovative AF products, like the 10-17mm and the new 50-135mm
    f2.8. They make the Pentax 100mm f2.8 macro, and that's the only prime
    lens as far as I know (also available as a Schneider Samsung version).

    Some of the lenses made for Pentax/Samsung/Schneider are not available
    as Tokina, and at least one Samsung prime lens - the 35mm f2 labelled as
    SAMSUNG and not as Schneider - looks to be from another source (the
    rubber focus ring bears a strong resemblance to a discontinued Minolta
    35mm f2). There is no Pentax 35mm f2, so it's not come from that direction.

    The illustrations of the lenses on Samsung's web pages look like a real
    mixed bag. At photokina, that is not how they looked at all. Grouped in
    sets in glass walk-round cases, they appeared to be very well matched
    and I didn't notice any different sorts of focus grip etc. But then, I
    did not notice the 35mm f2 Samsung, I only studied the Schneider-branded
    items.

    If you want genuine Pentax-made glass, the limited edition series 21mm,
    31mm, 40mm pancake, 43mm and 77mm are amazing. Lovely to handle and use,
    the diametric opposite of a Canon lens. Lumpfingered press shooters
    would hate them; they feel more like using an old Leica screw lens.

    Before Hoya announced it would merge with Pentax (really a take-over in
    size terms) I asked Samsung and Pentax about future plans and the answer
    was that Samsung are - from this point onwards - to develop their own
    DSLR without borrowing Pentax technology, so the next one will be a
    totally original design. It follows that the 35mm f2 (not a Schneider,
    or they would have said so, and not a Hoya-Schneider-anon either - a
    pure Samsung branding) may be the first of a new line. The mount will
    remain K-AF. As for the sensor? Samsung trade a lot with Sony, but if I
    was in their position, I'd be trying to develop an entirely new and much
    better 10+ megapixel sensor.

    David
     
    David Kilpatrick, Jan 14, 2007
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    John Bean Guest

    John Bean, Jan 14, 2007
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  12. There's both a DFA 100 f2.8 and a DFA 50 f2.8 (and they're both macros).
    There *is* (or perhaps, sadly, "was") a Pentax 35 f2 (FA 35 f2) - I've got
    one. Its really good.

    --Sophie

    (oh, and there's also the DA 14 f2.8 and DA 70 f2.4 (this is also a limited
    lens) missing from your list of primes)
     
    Sophie Wilson, Jan 14, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    Are they Samsung badged?
     
    Pete D, Jan 14, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    Was going to jump on that one myself, the Pentax 35mm F2 is possibly ones of
    their best allround lenses.
     
    Pete D, Jan 14, 2007
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  15. You're right - there is. It has been well ignored in the UK because it
    was entirely absent from the range of Pentax lenses at the launch of the
    K100D/K10D. That looks exactly the same as the Samsung, and again, not
    much like other Pentax lenses.

    David
     
    David Kilpatrick, Jan 14, 2007
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  16. I could have sworn I saw the 14mm f2.8 at photokina from Samsung - and
    also a 16-? (45mm?). But the list on Samsung's website is quite limited,
    not even a 50mm macro.

    I did not pay much deep attention to their stand in Germany, but I was
    impressed by it - it looked better in some ways than the Pentax stand,
    and was far more cheerful and 'photographic' than Sony's stand. I looked
    at the lenses, made comparisons with Tokina (which was close by) and
    that was enough to confirm the origins of what I saw.

    David
     
    David Kilpatrick, Jan 14, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    Not to worrieed about to many lenses at the moment really except for the new
    Sigma 70mm F2.8 macro, this looks to be the macro lens I have been waiting
    for.
     
    Pete D, Jan 14, 2007
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    m II Guest

    only four? Shameful....




    mike
     
    m II, Jan 23, 2007
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