[Phot - 7D] - white on white

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by Alan Browne, Mar 19, 2005.

  1. Alan Browne

    ian lincoln Guest

    chalk one up for dslrs :)
     
    ian lincoln, Mar 22, 2005
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  2. Alan Browne

    Greg Evans Guest

    Cropping the tree-trunk (and maybe a little off the bottom of the
    frame) out, leaving the twig alone in front of the blurry snow and
    shadow, would give that picture a very Zen feel...just a suggestion
    from a tyro....
     
    Greg Evans, Mar 22, 2005
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  3. Alan Browne

    Greg Evans Guest

    In this one, the blueness of the snow is nicely balanced by the warmer
    grays and browns of the tree (compared to the twirl-of-birchbark
    image, where the blue seems almost distracting to me).

    I guess this is the first time I've commented, in this group, on
    posted pictures...but snow tends to inspire me!
     
    Greg Evans, Mar 22, 2005
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  4. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    It was posted for other reasons. It's not that good a shot for various
    reasons.


    You want zen ...

    http://www.aliasimages.com/images/KM7D/BirchBarkSnow.jpg
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 22, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Well it's (finally) beginning to melt here...
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 22, 2005
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  6. Alan Browne

    Greg Evans Guest

    I know; that was just an initial impression I just thought I'd throw
    in!
     
    Greg Evans, Mar 22, 2005
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    Owamanga Guest

    Confucius say: F*ck Zen, that's just a load of cold pebbles.

    To improve the image further, also dump the part of the twig that
    exits stage-right, and photoshop some little jet thruster flames under
    the others to give it an outer-space feel.

    Try *that* with film, you'll just burn your fingers.
     
    Owamanga, Mar 22, 2005
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  8. Alan Browne

    Greg Evans Guest

    Greg Evans, Mar 22, 2005
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  9. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    It did strike me as very blue at first. But if you spend a lot of time
    outdoors on sunny days in the winter you realize how blue the light is
    in the shaddows. The sky is an immense blue softbox. Indeed you get
    various shades of blue as there are hard shaddows or soft (through pine
    boughs, etc.)

    The woods are a bit colorless these days, but those yellow-brown leaves
    with the white snow, grey tree trunks and blue shaddows just seem to
    work very well.

    Cheers,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 22, 2005
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    Greg Evans Guest

    I got back into photography about a year ago (after about 25 years off
    and having only recently moved to an area that experiences snow), so
    I'm just now noticing that. My own inclination is to try to make my
    photos as realistic as possible - as it relates to "how my brain
    thought the scene looked" rather than strick adherence to the original
    physics of the scene. Thus I tend to compensate somewhat for the blue
    cast in shadows, on objects, and on "white" snow. Not so much that
    the result looks fake or unreal, but in order to make it look MORE
    "real". Personal artistic choice, eh? Then again, who knows how I'll
    feel about it a year from now....
     
    Greg Evans, Mar 22, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Greg Evans wrote:

    If you shoot slide film, blue shaddows are unavoidable without filtering.

    Another truth is that if you shoot people in open shade, you better use
    a filter (81A/B) or they might look a little blue in the face. This
    goes all year round.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 22, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    I was more taken with:
    http://www.shutterspeedway.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?user=csnord&gallery=Main&picture=49
    (Note the blue tone).

    Some of your outdoor shots seem underexposed and muddy.

    I like a lot of your compoisitions. Good eye.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 22, 2005
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    Greg Evans Guest

    On that one the blue tone seemed more appropriate, especially against
    the brown rocks. However, I did have to adjust the color temp of the
    RAW image to keep the rocks from having too much of a blue cast as
    well.
    The computer/monitor I use to work on images makes these shots look
    cleaner and more vivid, much as I originally intended; on many other
    monitors they turn out as you say. I think part of that has to do
    with the difference in native display color-temp/gamma between Mac and
    Windows systems (not to mention between CRTs and LCDs). Oddly, my
    production monitor matches final printed output much more closely, so
    I don't want to tweak the color management too much at this point -
    unless there's a way to get both print AND web images to show
    properly.

    The other thing I've begun to notice is that there's a reason that
    wide-angle adapter was so inexpensive....
    Thanks, I appreciate the feedback.
     
    Greg Evans, Mar 23, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    This is the area where a lot of problems occur in showing images. I
    just uploaded the latest version of the birch bark on snow image for
    printing at a local store. I'll see what happens to it along the way.
    I specified no changes to color.

    The PC "standard" gamma is 2.2. For Mac's it's 1.8.

    If you have the bandwidth...
    http://www.creativemac.com/2001/05_may/tutorials/totalphotoshop609/totalphotoshop609-popup1.htm
    It illustrates well how a Mac image will appear on a Windows screen.

    I love the last sentence he utters!

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 23, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    On another note, this is what I meant by shaddows on soft shaddows:
    (Not a very good photo, but illustrates the point).

    http://www.aliasimages.com/images/KM7D/PICT0951S.jpg

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 23, 2005
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    Greg Evans Guest

    Yes, and I also note the tree trunks look a bit bluish as well.
    That's the kind of thing I usually end up compensating for by warming
    things up just a bit (or at least reducing the blue somewhat without
    producing noticable yellow). My goal would be to reduce the blue cast
    on the tree trunks to produce a more "expected" gray or gray/brown
    tone, and making the shadows less obviously blue without making the
    rest of the snow turn off-white.

    I don't know why I've gone to as much effort as I have to describe my
    take on post-processing. It's not like I consider it necessary to
    convince you, because you obviously know what the hell you're doing
    better than I do! To me this boils down to a personal artistic
    philosophy - do I leave the shadows technically-accurate blue, or
    revise the image to match my mind's-eye impression more closely? I
    find such questions, and individuals' takes on them, very interesting,
    but I haven't seen much discussion of this aspect of the photographic
    process...perhaps the equipment newsgroups aren't the right place for
    that, it just now occurs to me....
     
    Greg Evans, Mar 23, 2005
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  17. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest


    er, don't count on it!

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 23, 2005
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    ian lincoln Guest

    there is also the matter of whether or not you fit filters to your digital
    camera or adjust it afterwards. perhaps even in camera custom white
    balance.
     
    ian lincoln, Mar 23, 2005
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