photo editing software

Discussion in 'Photography' started by cherylp, Jul 10, 2008.

  1. Joel I just do not have a problem with your use of
    English. Most of the people I speak with in an average
    day use English as a second language. Virtually 100%
    of the people that I deal with who speak English as
    their first language do not speak the typical dialect of
    English that people in the USA speak.

    The significance is that I'm easily able to understand
    what you want to say, and I could care less (and don't
    really even notice) whether you English is "good" or
    otherwise. (My primary expertise is in communications,
    not in English grammar!)

    It's your logic that I was not agreeing with, not the
    language you use to express it.
    That is bullshit.

    The OS that I use, free or otherwise, runs circles
    around Windows of any kind. I don't have to worry about
    things like viruses. I don't have to worry about who my
    computer is talking to when I'm not looking. And I
    don't bump up against walls put there to extract money
    from my wallet either. And when I want to program it myself
    to do what I want, the OS doesn't get in the way either.

    My graphics programs can do everything the yours can do.
    In fact GIMP can run Photoshop plugins. Can Photoshop
    run GIMP plugins??? Hmmm... Isn't that a bit telling!
    It isn't; it's just you.
    Figure out what? I get paid to use it. Simple as that.
    It happens that I also write software. I'm not exactly
    a great programmer, but I'm good enough to know what
    OS's and various programs are as far as the technical
    side goes. I know that there is a very good reason that
    I would *never* run Windows by choice.

    I write Python and Scheme scripts for GIMP, by the way.
    I've also contributed patches and bug fixes to at least
    one of the Open Source graphics programs that I used daily.
    I have a very good idea of what graphics programs are
    and what they are not. When you prattle on with your
    biased opinions that amount to ignorant product loyalty,
    I'm not impressed at all.
    Because you are *not* being logical. That's why it is hard for
    you to communicate, not the English.
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Jul 16, 2008
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    ray Guest

    And that, my friend, is YOUR problem. The mind set that simply because
    it's free it can't be any good is quite crippling.
     
    ray, Jul 16, 2008
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  3. cherylp

    ray Guest

    You've put your finger on another part of the problem. No one can USE
    photoshop until they've had a six month course in how to run it! The open
    source products are, generally, much more intuitive.
     
    ray, Jul 16, 2008
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  4. cherylp

    Joel Guest

    No! that's not bullshit but that is the stuff I am trying to get into your
    head. And I don't think you will do very well with the head filled with
     
    Joel, Jul 16, 2008
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  5. cherylp

    Joel Guest

    The John McCain's YOUR FRIEND or the normal way?
     
    Joel, Jul 16, 2008
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  6. cherylp

    Joel Guest

    That's what you need "6 months" of practicing and taking some class will
    help but not required.

    At young age you can learn more and lot quicker in 6 months, at older you
    don't want to waste another valuable 6 months.

    Now, lets say you are 50-60 years old, if you haven't learned then you
    still know nothing. Now lets say it takes you 1 years to learn, and you
    will die at the age of 65 then you have only 4 years to enjoy the knowledge
    <bg>
     
    Joel, Jul 16, 2008
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    Peter Guest

    Assuming you are over 21, do you see anything wrong with purchasing a bottle
    of booze, or a pack of cigarettes and giving it to a minor.

    Last time I looked the student is committing a fraud and you are part of the
    conspiracy to commit the fraud. The student is representing the purchase is
    primarily for his own educational purposes.

    Otherwise why would I need student ID?
     
    Peter, Jul 16, 2008
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  8. cherylp

    Peter Guest


    It's principle, not price.

    George Bernard Shaw is reputed to have asked Lady Astor if she would sleep
    with him for $20. She replied that she is not a whore. He then asked if she
    would sleep with him for one million dollars and she said yes. Shaw then
    stated "now that we have established what you are, let's negotiate price."
     
    Peter, Jul 16, 2008
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    Chris H Guest

    That is theft.

    It could cost you 1000's of $$$$$ in legal fees not to mention the fine
     
    Chris H, Jul 16, 2008
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  10. cherylp

    Chris H Guest

    That is not quite the same thing

    IT depends on the license.....
     
    Chris H, Jul 16, 2008
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  11. cherylp

    Joel Guest

    That's what I said! it requires student ID to get the educational
    discount, but it doesn't require student ID to give to anyone nor it
    requires student ID to use the educational version. Or it does which you
    may know more than I do.
     
    Joel, Jul 16, 2008
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    Joel Guest

    Then the government(s) of many countries should build more jail, graduate
    more lawyers, judges etc. to put the thieves of their countries to jails and
    collecting the fee and fine to boost up the economy <bg>
     
    Joel, Jul 16, 2008
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    Peter Guest


    Uhm! Did you read your posting. or it that a different Chris H:

    That is theft.

    It could cost you 1000's of $$$$$ in legal fees not to mention the fine"
     
    Peter, Jul 16, 2008
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  14. cherylp

    Peter Guest


    As Floyd pointed out earlier, there is a logical inconsistency in your
    argument. I see the misuse as fraud. It is quite different if I legitimately
    purchase an educational version for my own use, which I have, and Adobe
    permits non-educational use after my course is complete, which it does, I
    have a legal copy.
    I see a difference and you don't, or don't want to.
     
    Peter, Jul 16, 2008
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    Joel Guest

    Just becareful with what you mouth says thing your head doesn't want it to
    do. Or it could be SIN to say thing ain't true (and I didn't bother to
    point out things you said ain't very true or kind of drive by shooting
    talk), and learn not to come up with your own law before it becomes real
    law.
     
    Joel, Jul 16, 2008
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    Peter Guest


    Whatever.
     
    Peter, Jul 16, 2008
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    ray Guest

    Thanks for proving my point. The two most complex pieces of software
    around, at least judging by the number of classes around and the number of
    folks who take them, must be photoshop and MS powerpoint. IMHO the open
    source replacements for both of them are much easier to use.
     
    ray, Jul 16, 2008
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    Peter Guest

    If open source is truly a replacement, then why do you think the commercial
    world has essentially standardized on PowerPoint and Photoshop. If you ask I
    will tell you that IMHO Corel Paint Shop Pro has a friendlier and easier to
    use interface than PS and is far more sophisticated. Yet fewer and fewer
    graphic shops use it. Indeed, one very large and cost conscience shop I
    know, switched to Photoshop about two years ago and hasn't looked back.
    While much of the freeware and open source programs may be very good, even
    better in some respects than the commercial products, the futz factor and
    compatibility issues, make them not really equivalents.


    BTW to me Visual Studio is far more difficult to use well and requires more
    skill than Photoshop. <vbg>
     
    Peter, Jul 16, 2008
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  19. cherylp

    Joel Guest

    You are quite welcome and always be more than glad to prove your point
    <bg>
     
    Joel, Jul 17, 2008
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    tony cooper Guest

    Photoshop is one of the easiest programs to learn because of the
    number of classes, books, magazine articles and easily accessible
    online tutorials. Whatever you want to do in Photoshop can be learned
    by entering a few keystrokes in Google, and then by following the many
    tutorials that can be found.

    Gimp, however, is not as easily learned because few such resources
    exist. Someone working with Gimp soon figures out that Photoshop
    training material applies to Gimp since Gimp is essentially the same
    program, but it's rather like using a Canon operating manual to learn
    to use a Nikon camera. You can figure out that both have the same
    basic functions, but you have to work out how to identify and match
    the function you want to the application at hand.

    While I said that Photoshop is one of the easiest programs to learn, I
    mean only that it is easy to learn the functions, what the functions
    are for, and what the result should be. That does not mean that it is
    an easy program to become adept at using. That's more a matter of
    practice and experimentation than it is of following instructions.

    Gimp offers the user no advantage at all except for cost. That, of
    course, is a major advantage indeed. It's too bad that people can't
    just say that they prefer Gimp because it's free. To call it more
    intuitive or easier to use is patently false.
     
    tony cooper, Jul 17, 2008
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