Photo of dying marine: was it right for AP to publish?

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Kulvinder Singh Matharu, Sep 7, 2009.

  1. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    This is correct. Terrorist and spies etc come under LOCAL CIVILIAN LAW.
    The are *EITHER* enemy combatants under the Geneva Convention or
    Civilians. In either case due process should be applied and this does
    not include tourture.
    Just saying he didn't when you are a no one does not count when the
    international organisations say the opposite.

    On the other hand Bush admitted it. Water boarding is torture.

    Actually Bush and co... devised their own definitions which the rest of
    the world (and many Americans) say are simply made up and have no
    validity.
     
    Chris H, Sep 11, 2009
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  2. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    Then you and Bush are alone in that view. The rest of the world does say
    it is torture.

    Your personal view has no standing whatsoever in international law. I
    think you will find the US law courts will also find that, in common
    with the free, democratic and civilised world, water boarding is
    torture.
    Yes. Hang on... Saddam was a US sponsored leader.
    Al-Qeada and the Taliban were both US trained and funded.

    I have no idea about "the left" being right wing and military myself.

    However the usual anti-war/libberals etc were very anti-Saddam from the
    moment the US helped him into power. They bitched like hell that the US
    was assisting Saddam with chemical warfare against Iran and terrorists
    in Iraq.

    Several intelligence services (who have no morals or political stance of
    their own) also waned the US Administration *AT THE TIME* not to train
    and fund the Taliban and Al-Qeada groups.

    So yes most of the world DID complain about the Al-Qeada and Taliban use
    of torture (and the people who funded them)
     
    Chris H, Sep 11, 2009
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  3. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    Yes there is... however neither Iraq nor Afghanistan are a battle field
    but a Police action.
    Correct they are civilians and should be tried in the normal manner for
    civilians. There is no third route.
    And it was wrong then too.
     
    Chris H, Sep 11, 2009
  4. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    GMAN Guest

    Fine, move then to texas, try them there, find them guilty of murder, order
    death penalty, dead in 2 years, not 30 like in California.
     
    GMAN, Sep 11, 2009
  5. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    1 None of the alleged crimes took place in Texas. Moving them out of
    their country is illegal.

    2 In the case of Afghans they are defending their country against an
    invader. The Afghan Government did not invite in the US forces. It did
    invite in the Russians.
     
    Chris H, Sep 11, 2009
  6. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    Only a minor mistake, they are all foreigners. That's the trouble with
    Mexicans like Bill... we jump on the slightest mistake they make.
     
    Chris H, Sep 11, 2009
  7. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    No he most certainly did not. Iraq never wanted any of Kuwait's oil.
     
    Chris H, Sep 11, 2009
  8. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    That says it all... MOST of the fighting on the two cutting edges of the
    pincer was done by the Brits and the French.

    Virtually all the Special Forces work was done by the Brits and the
    French because Peter DBA had to teach Stormin Norma how to conduct
    desert warfare.
    Not many but the biggest single cause was US fire.
     
    Chris H, Sep 11, 2009
  9. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    stephe_k Guest

    So you feel it's OK to invade a country and kill a BUNCH of people based
    on that?
    So you felt they were going to attack us? And besides the oil, why would
    we get involved. No other reason.
    Well they DAMN sure weren't working for Iraq.

    So why again did we attack Iraq?
     
    stephe_k, Sep 12, 2009
  10. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    stephe_k Guest


    So it seems you could care less about the TOTAL numbers of dead as long
    as we keep the oil flowing..

    Stephanie
     
    stephe_k, Sep 12, 2009
  11. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Ray Fischer Guest

    As usual, Graham is completely clueless.

    China: 776.4
    Japan: 711.8
    UK: 214.0
    OPEC: 191
    etc.
    http://www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt
     
    Ray Fischer, Sep 12, 2009
  12. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    I agree. The Gitmo situation is illegal. None of the inmates have been
    found guilty of anything. Due to their appalling (and illegal)
    treatment those that get out are, not surprisingly, very anti USA and
    want to fight back.

    Had the US shot these civilians in the field the backlash would have
    been less.

    Trying to pretend the US had some legality or was doing the right thing
    has made the situation worse.
     
    Chris H, Sep 12, 2009
  13. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    Neither Iraq after the first 3 weeks nor Afghanistan are war zones but
    police actions
     
    Chris H, Sep 12, 2009
  14. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    Water boarding was not excluded by anyone except the Bush
    administration. The whole world and International law says
    waterboarding IS torture.

    So if N. Korea says it is find to pick up Us citizens around the world,
    lock them up and burn them with cigarettes it is OK because the N.
    Koreans decided that is not torture and the rest of the world is wrong?
     
    Chris H, Sep 12, 2009
  15. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    He needed a route to the sea and a port. He has far more oil than
    Kuwait. The fact you did not know this nor that most of the fighting in
    1990/91 was done by the Brits and French shows that you don't really
    have the first idea about the whole Iraq situation.
    Tactics to delay the incoming forces.
     
    Chris H, Sep 12, 2009
  16. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    The Kurds were in the NORTH and they were attacked in 1988.... I know I
    was there.

    He did attack the Marsh Arabs in the South but that was in 1991/2 AFTER
    the first gulf war.
     
    Chris H, Sep 12, 2009
  17. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Bob Larter Guest

    Oh, & blow the **** out of Americans. ;^)
     
    Bob Larter, Sep 13, 2009
  18. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Bob Larter Guest

    Hey, it's all about Free Enterprise, isn't it? Can't go around banning
    Saudi nationals from going to flight school, even though they have the
    dodgiest passports & visas that you've ever seen. ;^)
     
    Bob Larter, Sep 13, 2009
  19. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    ray Guest

    I don't know anyone who is "pro war". Some of the most anti-war folks I
    know are in the military. Many of them realize that, at times, war is
    necessary if we are to have freedom. I suppose you'd rather the
    Revolution, WWI, WWII had not been fought.
     
    ray, Sep 14, 2009
  20. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    ray Guest

    IMHO it was irresponsible - served no practical purpose. Certainly did
    not give us any information about the war, how it is being prosecuted,
    etc. Only that people are dying - which happens in a war. The press,
    IMHO, often forgets that with freedom goes responsibility - except that
    the current administation seems to be doing what it can to void that
    concept.
     
    ray, Sep 14, 2009
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