Photographers don't need Mac!

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by David J Taylor, Oct 24, 2004.

  1. Linda_N wrote:
    Why not customise your installation?
    E.g. Add/Remove Windows components.....

    3.11 had very significant resource limitations, though, due to the use of
    16-bit code.

    David J Taylor, Oct 24, 2004
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  2. David J Taylor

    Linda_N Guest

    3. with SP 2 turn off that flakey thing MS calls a firewall and use a 3rd
    party firewall instead.

    XP is a memory hog, but if you fill its need it is not too bad. I wish MS
    would come out with a bloat free version for those of us that just want a
    basic OS. I was happy with Windows 3.11 (workgroups), it flew on far fewer

    Linda_N, Oct 24, 2004
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  3. David J Taylor

    Linda_N Guest

    I removed a lot previously under Windows components, but that is still
    leaving a lot of garbage/bloat I never use. I'd love to figure out how to
    get rid of Windows Messenger, any idea? I tried uninstalling it but that
    prevented other features from working like Outlook Express/Newsgroups, so I
    had to reinstall it from the CD. That thing is a huge hog of memory from
    start up. I'd just like to get rid of it without screwing up email.

    I'm sure if MS tried hard enough they could have made something similar
    (non-bloated) to 3.11 32, 64, 128-bit :) I still am of the mind that Bill
    Gates likely owns Intel or some such hardware company. The more he bloats
    Windows the more we have to buy new hardware. Him profiting from the
    hardware end makes sense to me, I just gotta prove the connection hahaha.

    Linda_N, Oct 24, 2004
  4. David J Taylor

    bob Guest

    Not to mention 8.3 filenames and winsock.

    bob, Oct 24, 2004
  5. David J Taylor

    DDDD Guest

    A very large percentage of the Windows users like it with all the bells and
    whistles. If MS made a toned down version, it probably wouldn't sell enough
    to pay for itself. Just get Unix if you don't like Windows.


    DDDD, Oct 24, 2004
  6. David J Taylor

    DDDD Guest

    For what it's worth, I have used IE and OE for as far back as I can
    remember. (I built my first PC in 1981). I have never had a virus or worm
    on any of my computers in all this time. If you know what you are doing,
    they are safe.

    DDDD, Oct 24, 2004
  7. David J Taylor

    Jose Marques Guest

    "Online risks for US web users",14230,1335688,00.html

    "However 77% of 326 adults in 12 states had assured researchers in a
    telephone poll they were safe from online threats. Nearly as many people
    felt confident they were already protected specifically from viruses and

    When experts visited those same homes to examine computers, they found
    two-thirds of adults using anti-virus software that was not updated in at
    least seven days.

    Two-thirds of the computer users also were not using any type of
    protective firewall programme, and spyware was found on the computers of
    80% of those in the study."
    Jose Marques, Oct 26, 2004
  8. David J Taylor

    DDDD Guest

    Are you saying that I might have a problem and not know it? I don't think
    so. I routinely run Spybot and Adaware. I use norton antivirus and update
    very often. I routinely run Windows update and have it set to automatically
    download updates but alert me before installing. I have been around
    computers for quite a while, teaching programming as far back as 1967. I
    still say that if you know how to set up the tools properly and use them
    routinely, you can use IE and OE with NO problems.

    DDDD, Oct 26, 2004
  9. David J Taylor

    bob Guest

    It sounds like the study was designed to portray a problem as being
    worse than it really is. I would guess that Norton is the most popular
    AV software. It ony updates on Friday. So if you don't log onto your
    computer on friday, then your virus defns are going to be more than 7
    days old.

    If you don't get an email with a virus on Saturday morning, it isn't
    really a problem.

    They also don't explain what they mean by "spyware." According to all
    the anti spyware programs I've used, cookies count. Well, OK, but that's
    not the same thing as code running.

    I notice they don't provide the one statistic that would actually be
    interesting (probably because the statistic turned out to not support
    their agenda). They don't say how many of the machines actually had a
    virus or a trojan.

    bob, Oct 26, 2004
  10. David J Taylor

    Linda_N Guest

    There are so many people complaining of Windows being bloated that I think
    the market would be large for a bloat free version. I'd venture to guess
    that at least 80% of home users never use more than a small fraction of
    features in Windows, but again speculation is not fact.

    Firefox 1.0 (wonderful replacement for IE) is taking over the Internet
    because it isn't bloated yet does a lot of the most commonly used tasks.
    Extensions are available for those who want more. Go FireFox! People are
    sick of MS, its bloatware, it security holes and patches etc... It is not
    that Windows or IE don't work well (they do in my opinion), it is just that
    they are too resource intensive with a bunch of features most people don't

    Linda_N, Oct 27, 2004
  11. David J Taylor

    Linda_N Guest

    Thanks for the tip on IEradicator, JK. I'll look if they have an XP Home

    You really have to try Mozilla FireFox 1.0. It puts Opera to shame in my
    opinion. It also puts IE and Netscape to shame. There are lots of very
    useful extensions available and more are added daily. Some of the extensions
    offer features that are not available in any of the other browsers like
    instant blogging if you're into that, text to speech, Color Picker in status
    bar, and the list goes on and on. Best of all you can completely uninstall
    IE and FireFox still works. That is not the case for Opera which relies on
    the EI core engine (or did the last time I had it installed.)

    I like OE so I'll stick with it, but if I had to choose another it would be
    either Thunderbird (newest version only) or Forte FreeAgent.

    Linda_N, Oct 27, 2004
  12. David J Taylor

    Linda_N Guest

    I don't mind Windows either, other than it has way more than I need so I'd
    rather have a piped down version in return for more system resources being
    available after a fresh boot.

    I only started using an Anti-virus about a year ago, and only because the
    web page viruses started to get more familiar on regular, non-warez,
    non-criminal type sites. When regular sites started getting virus code in
    the their html it was a threat worth the investment. Now that most ISPs have
    virus scanner software at server level to scan all uploads of html and other
    files AV software has taken a back seat for me again, although I still
    update the .dat files available via auto-update. Prior to the AV software I
    never had a virus because I strictly follow a few basic rules in email, and
    I don't visit porn, warez and shaddy sites. I don't buy into people landing
    on those site 'by accident' either.


    Linda_N, Oct 27, 2004
  13. David J Taylor

    Linda_N Guest

    Yeah I bet Peter Norton wrote all about the threats too. I think firewalls
    are necessary, but the whole antivirus thing is a huge scam in my opinion.
    Who is to say that the companies making the AV software are not the ones
    putting out the virii? It seems to me with modern tracking abilities that
    only a few people have ever been arrested (worldwide) for creating and
    releasing viruses. What's that all about????? Money is what.

    Here is your antivirus protection. Don't open email attachments, period.
    Don't surf warez or porn sites. Don't use warez. Buy a good firewall program
    like ZoneAlarm 5 for small networks, or buy a corporate program for big
    business/large networks. That has worked for me for over 20 years. It is
    only the last year that I've purchased an AV, and now that is not even as
    important since most IPSs now scan at server level user uploads to web sites
    including html pages, and refuse anything that has a virus.

    Linda_N, Oct 27, 2004
  14. David J Taylor

    Linda_N Guest

    I agree that there are a lot of scare tactics out there.

    I think the whole AV thing is a multi-billion dollar scam. If someone told
    me that it was the virus software companies putting out the scare and the
    virii and worms I'd not in the least be surprised. What better way to keep
    your product in demand. Also where are all the virii and worm makers? Other
    than a few worldwide who have been arrested, there are literally a hundred
    thousand or so virii and worm that appear to have no author...

    Linda_N, Oct 27, 2004
  15. David J Taylor

    Linda_N Guest

    Me too. I liked 98SE. I had few problems with it, was able to strip an awful
    lot of features from it that I didn't use (to free up resources), and it was
    very stable. I got XP with this new machine/notebook that I received as a
    gift. I don't mind it that much, but I can't strip as much out of it, plus
    it hogs way more memory than 98SE did. I do like the media features, however
    I already was a registered user of better video editing, photo viewing and
    editing software. On XP Home I do like the fax and picture viewer though, it
    is fast for straight viewing.

    Linda_N, Oct 27, 2004
  16. David J Taylor

    DDDD Guest


    You have mentioned several times having to, or wanting to, strip features
    out of an operating system or wanting Microsoft to strip features out of a
    system. Can you tell me a little about your computer? If you have a decent
    processor, plenty of memory and a decent sized hard drive, I can't really
    see any problems. If you are missing any of these features - get them -
    they are cheap. The features that you want to strip out don't interfere
    with anything if you don't use them - except for disk space. A 250 gig hard
    drive is cheap and you can use that for almost anything you have.

    I don't want to start a war, but it seems as if you just like to bash
    Windows. Sure, there are things about Windows that I don't like, such as
    Messenger, but I have that disabled and it is really no problem. Windows is
    bloated, yes, but it tries to be all things to all people and actually does
    a pretty fair job. The costs of stripping out features would not cost much
    as you say, but 'maintaining' another version would add millions to the
    upkeep and probably end up costing me about 5-10 bucks for my copy of the
    full version. Look at it from a business point of view and you will find
    that Microsoft is making a business decision by trying to keep maintenance
    costs down - which is what the shareholders would demand.

    As I said in another thread, someone will find something wrong with anything
    that you can suggest. I don't know who coined the phrase "you can please
    some of the people all the time and all of the people some of the time, but
    you can't please all of the people all the time", but it is a truism. I
    actually think that the phrase states "fool" rather than "please", but the
    sentiment remains the same.

    You seem to be a very involved and intelligent user of computers, but you do
    seem a little hung up on bashing a system that is really not all that bad.
    I don't know if you have tried Linux, but I have and I found it wanting in
    several respects. This was a few years ago and maybe it has improved, but I
    really can say that Windows will do everything that I want it to do and do
    it well.

    DDDD, Oct 27, 2004
  17. David J Taylor

    bob Guest

    Most of the virii in the definition tables have never appeared "in the
    wild." Closet hackers write them and email them to the AV companies for
    fun. I've seen statistics from a credible source (that I don't recall right
    now) that put the number of virii that have actually gotten out and done
    bad things in the low hundreds.

    Our AV software does find bad stuff in our incoming mail from time to time
    though, so it's good to be safe.

    bob, Oct 28, 2004
  18. David J Taylor

    GT40 Guest

    I disagree. Seems that most people have debunked that rumor
    GT40, Oct 28, 2004
  19. David J Taylor

    GT40 Guest

    I dont see what you say that, as long as only one is running at a
    time. Firewall software is the big no no for multi program install.
    GT40, Oct 28, 2004
  20. David J Taylor

    kashe Guest

    It updates between Fridays if a serious new virus is found.
    I've seen it update more than once a day on rare occasions as better
    information on a new virus becomes available.
    You should be using the auto-update on at least a daily basis.
    ANd if you only fire up on Subnday, you can still pick up the most
    recent Friday update.

    There are a lot of definitions of spyware. Some spyware
    detectors will even flag many of your standard Microsoft Most Recently
    Used files as they are often used by spyware to track your browser
    caches, etc.
    kashe, Oct 28, 2004
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