Photographing thugs 'is assault', police tell householder snapping proof of anti-social behaviour

Discussion in 'UK Photography' started by MB, Jul 21, 2008.

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    MB Guest

    In this morning's paper, another PCSO of course.

    Photographing thugs 'is assault', police tell householder snapping proof of
    anti-social behaviour

    A householder who took photographs of hooded teenagers as evidence of their
    anti-social behaviour says he was told he was breaking the law after they
    called the police.

    .....

    And he claimed that a Police Community Support Officer sent to the scene
    promptly issued a warning that taking pictures of youths without permission
    was illegal, and could lead to a charge of assault.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...der-snapping-proof-anti-social-behaviour.html
     
    MB, Jul 21, 2008
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    Graculus Guest

    Sounds like (yet) another case of plastic pretend policemen not knowing what
    they are talking about. I hope Mr Green puts in a complaint.
     
    Graculus, Jul 21, 2008
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    Trev Guest

    In
    According to the report the Police have no record of it.
     
    Trev, Jul 21, 2008
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    MB Guest


    And who do you believe? I know who I would believe.


    MB
     
    MB, Jul 22, 2008
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    Neil Barker Guest

    I'll gladly go along and photograph the hoody scum. Taking pictures of
    them in a public place IS NOT ILLEGAL and I'd welcome said Plastic Plod
    trying to tell me it is - I'd enjoy the resultant conversation :)
     
    Neil Barker, Jul 22, 2008
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    savvo Guest

    Not the Daily Mail. We can't possibly know who to believe in the actual
    event because the only version of the story we have comes from a
    FUD-spreading tabloid comic.
     
    savvo, Jul 22, 2008
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    MB Guest


    There is always someone, wherever you post a message, has to make a comment
    about the Daily Mail or Daily Telegraph. I will see if I can find the item
    in either Morning Star, Daily Star or Socialist Worker to keep you happy.

    http://www.socialistworker.co.uk

    Which newspapers can we quote from without someone moaning ?

    The Times ? Rupert Murdoch so we can't believe that
    The Grauniad ? So many errors that hard to tell if right
    The Independent ? Reprints official press releases as news items without
    crediting the source so we can't believe them
    John O'Groat Journal and Caithness Courier ?
     
    MB, Jul 22, 2008
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    Bruce Guest


    Daily Mirror?
     
    Bruce, Jul 22, 2008
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    Rob Morley Guest

    It might be amusing to organise a number of photographers to turn up.
    They could file past in an orderly manner, shooting as they go so they
    don't cause an obstruction, keeping a few yards apart so they don't
    constitute an 'assembly' under the terms of the Public Order Act (or
    whichever is the relevant legislation) ...
    I wonder would it be more effective to target ... I mean "happen to walk
    past" ... hoodies or PCSOs?
     
    Rob Morley, Jul 22, 2008
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    MB Guest

    I thought it had gone downhill in recent years but never read it in detail.
    The Scottish sister paper, Daily Record, is plagued with pop-up adverts so
    just quickly check Scottish News there (then delete the three or four
    pop-ups that have been opened).

    The Daily Mail has one of the best online news sites after the BBC's which
    is why I tend to look at it, never bought a copy of the paper in my life.

    MB
     
    MB, Jul 22, 2008
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  11. That's hardly surprising. I only had to read the title and the first
    line or two from the original posting to know where the story
    originated. The link merely confirmed it.
    If you don't want people to moan, don't try passing off a quotation from
    a single, opinionated source as fact.
     
    Willy Eckerslyke, Jul 22, 2008
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    savvo Guest

    I'm sorry if I've offended your belief in the integrity of the press.
    Personally, I won't believe any story if it's only coming from one
    uncorroborated source. And if that one source is a journalist that just
    serves to devalue it further. I have no idea why you think the Morning
    Star, Daily Star (!?) or Socialist Worker are any more reliable, but to
    each his own.
    I applaud your search, but just tell us if it succesfully turns up an
    objective, unbiased newspaper. Keep listing the failures and you'll soon
    become very boring.

    BTW, I fixed your attributions for you.
     
    savvo, Jul 22, 2008
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    Bruce Guest


    Yes, it is an atrocious newspaper. But it is widely read among the
    working class, who are among the strongest objectors to the Mail,
    Telegraph and anything from Murdoch.


    I use a pop-up blocker.


    I use the Telegraph web site for the same reason. Politically, The
    Telegraph is way to the right of me, but the sheer clarity of the site
    and detail in the reporting makes it worth a look. For the sake of
    balance, I also use the Guardian web site, but as with the newspaper,
    it always seems to be telling you what to think.

    BBC News has gone soft, and toes the Government line wherever
    possible. For something nearer to impartiality I prefer Reuters.
     
    Bruce, Jul 22, 2008
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    Poldie Guest

    LOL!
     
    Poldie, Jul 22, 2008
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    Poldie Guest


    Good job too - it's basically the Sun for women!
     
    Poldie, Jul 22, 2008
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    Derek Guest

    Tripe any proportionate action taken to prevent the commission of a crime or
    the apprehension of criminals engaged in an offence is perfectly legal ,
    whether the photographs are admissable as evidence in court is a whole other
    question.
    Derek
     
    Derek, Jul 24, 2008
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    Ben Micklem Guest

    No, he did not say this. He was quoted as saying:
    "...a Police Community Support Officer told me I had been accused of
    assault, though no such thing occurred, and told me I was not allowed to
    take photographs of teenagers on the street."

    I don't think Mr Green inferred that the one thing was related to the other.
    I think it was spun into an interesting story, and given an outrageous
    title.

    Ben
     
    Ben Micklem, Jul 24, 2008
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    savvo Guest

    Oh! You've impugned the press. Now you're in for it.
     
    savvo, Jul 24, 2008
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