Photography related news report

Discussion in 'Australia Photography' started by Doug Jewell, Oct 26, 2008.

  1. Doug Jewell

    Doug Jewell Guest

    On the radio news today, I caught a snippet of a news story
    that parliament is draughting new laws banning the
    photography of nude children. Didn't go into much detail but
    said that artistic merit wouldn't be an excuse.
    I've had a quick look around some of the aussie news sites
    (ninemsn,, abc) and haven't seen any further detail
    about this.

    Being a weekend, the local radio gets it's news from Sydney,
    so not even sure if it is a NSW thing or a National thing. I
    did find a frequent news article that the NSW govt is
    increasing penalties for pedophilia.

    Without knowing the actual details of the proposed
    legislation I guess I can't comment to much, but I do find
    it disturbing that they would be banning photography of nude
    children. Where will the line be drawn between pedophilia
    and art? I'd hazard a guess that pretty much every parent
    has at some stage taken photos of their kids in the nude.
    Are we likely to be treated as a criminal if we get them
    printed at a lab, or show them to someone else?
    Doug Jewell, Oct 26, 2008
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    ^Tems^ Guest

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    Noons Guest

    Doug Jewell wrote,on my timestamp of 26/10/2008 10:37 PM:

    Barry O'Fart is the one behind that.
    As usual, jumps at anything to show he's

    Would have been a LOT more useful if he had had
    the guts to take over the Libs BEFORE the last election.
    Instead of hiding behind a scapegoat and then pouncing when
    no one dares put their hand up for top job.

    Says a lot of the character of the bastard...
    Noons, Oct 26, 2008
  4. Doug Jewell

    Noons Guest

    Doug Jewell wrote,on my timestamp of 26/10/2008 10:37 PM:

    Actually, not as bad as I thought it'd be:
    In its current form it's fine and I support it. It addresses
    crap sites that deal in child pornography, and their users.
    But if Barry O'Fart gets his way ALL children photography
    will be banned, period.
    Noons, Oct 26, 2008
  5. Doug Jewell

    Doug Jewell Guest

    Thanks for the link - it's NSW only so doesn't directly
    affect me (yet), but judging by what that SMH link says, it
    looks ok. Certainly increased penalties for offenders
    against children I support.

    That article says it wouldn't have affected Henson, so it
    obviously has very little to do with artistic photography -
    a bit different to the comments I heard on the radio, which
    said all nude photography of children would be banned.
    Wouldn't be the first time a journo has made stuff up for a

    Personally I don't have a problem with Henson's work,
    although some of the shots I've seen were possibly a bit

    I think what is more important than the nature of the
    resulting image is the effect it has on the child. If the
    child is happy to do it (and in my experience it is
    sometimes hard to get young children to keep their clothes
    ON), then there is no harm from it.

    Things like taking photographs of kids at the beach / sport
    etc - big deal. The child is not affected at all. If the
    photos end up being used by a pedo, then by all means
    prosecute the pedo to the limit of the law. But the fact
    remains the child hasn't been harmed in any way by the

    Considering the vast majority of this type of photography
    would be done innocently (parents, street photogs etc), then
    why punish the majority for the actions of the minority.

    The way the media has portrayed this type of photography, it
    presents the photographer as being a criminal. Sure
    photography is a tool of the pedophile, but the government
    and media need to remember it is the pedophilia which is the
    crime, not the photography.
    Doug Jewell, Oct 26, 2008
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    Noons Guest

    Doug Jewell wrote,on my timestamp of 27/10/2008 10:12 AM:
    It's all a matter of taste, I suppose. His work
    is not my cuppa either but if others like it and it's
    not offensive or pornographic, all good.

    I just had a bunfight with a local organization running futsal.
    According to them I wouldn't be able to take photos of my son
    playing because it might be "misused in a web site".
    Never mind I'm the father, it's my photos, they are not used
    in "websites" and the kids are FAR from naked when playing futsal,
    anyways: talk about over-reaction!

    In fact, anyone likening kids playing futsal to nude photos is
    the one that needs treatment, IMO. And urgently!

    Moral of the story, after a few complaints to Attorney General's
    and Football NSW: of course I can take photos, if other parents
    do not specifically ask me not to. And I'm OK with that.

    Absolutely! One thing is pornographic photos. Another
    COMPLETELY different one is parents taking photos of their own
    kids, in public venues: the two things could not possibly be
    more apart, except in the heads of lunatic "law-makers"
    and stupid media!

    Couldn't agree more. And I'll keep reminding
    do-gooders of that, rest assured!
    Noons, Oct 27, 2008
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    Jeßus Guest

    On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:34:20 +1100, Noons wrote:

    Its just SO bizarre, that medieval style mentality.
    I simply cannot understand the thinking at all.

    Where did it come from?? It just seemed to emerge from out of nowhere a
    few years ago, shortly after 9/11.
    Well done, really. It was a relief to hear that you stood your ground.
    I'm glad it wasn't me in your shoes, because this sort of thing really,
    REALLY angers me. I'm not sure if I could respond 'appropriately' if
    directly faced with those kind of people.

    Imagine how much worse it'll get if these aberrant freaks hold even more
    sway politically.
    Jeßus, Oct 27, 2008
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    Mr.T Guest

    It's just these sort of morons who like to control other peoples lives, that
    run for political positions unfortunately.
    Local Councils being the worst IME.

    Mr.T, Oct 27, 2008
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    Mr.T Guest

    Just ask the bankers.

    Mr.T, Oct 27, 2008
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    Noons Guest

    Jeßus wrote,on my timestamp of 27/10/2008 7:09 PM:

    A big part of the problem is the ignorant media
    looking for anything to hype up mass histeria
    reactions. Goebbels would be proud of the media
    we have nowadays: most of the techniques used
    come straight out of his teachings!
    Those who ignore history are forever condemned
    to repeat it...
    Noons, Oct 27, 2008
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    Jeßus Guest

    You're preaching to the choir here Noons.

    I moved into here last July and I still don't think I've actually
    connected the TV antenna to the TV, and I have no plans to do so at this
    Jeßus, Oct 27, 2008
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    Jeßus Guest

    I'm getting my first taste of councils right now.

    I bought this property last July - I've had 5 bills already from the
    local council, theyve since increased the value of the property (gee,
    what a surprise).

    They also closed the local tip last week and now we are supposed to do a
    52KM round trip to dump rubbish. Oh yeah, sure, no worries...
    However - on this last point - I am in the midst of a guerilla campagn of
    Jeßus, Oct 27, 2008
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    Noons Guest

    Jeßus wrote,on my timestamp of 28/10/2008 9:40 AM:
    Hehe! Mine hates me since I exposed their
    "rain water recovery" campaign as a scam
    of the worst kind...

    Wrote a letter to mine this year:
    property prices have been going down in this
    area, yet they raised my land valuation!

    I just wanted to know who their "valuer"
    was so I can introduce them to my bank...

    If prices go down, so MUST land valuations:
    simple as that. What's good for the goose...

    Oh, but they raised their rates?
    Ombudsman folks love that sort of attitude.
    Noons, Oct 28, 2008
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    Mr.T Guest

    Makes absolutely no difference to rates if they all go down in value, since
    the council first sets the amount of income they want, then calculates the
    "cents in the dollar" rate to provide that amount. If you can prove your
    property is worth less than others in the area, you can challenge their
    valuation whenever one is made.

    How? I've never heard of them doing anything about councils ability to set
    their rates. We had a 20% increase a couple of years ago, and they blow
    their own trumpet whenever it is less than 5% *ABOVE* CPI (usually *much*
    more than that).
    I sure wish my income matched the increases in council rates, as does
    everyone else I know!

    Mr.T, Oct 29, 2008
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    Noons Guest

    Mr.T wrote,on my timestamp of 29/10/2008 6:08 PM:
    Their main justification for increasing rates is
    that land valuations have gone up. I simply
    challenge that assertion, given the well known
    and very real drop in prices, and will start
    challenging the local rate rises from next year.
    And let me tell you: it ain't just me. There
    is a very large group of residents here who
    are gonna do exactly that as well.

    In NSW there is a cap on how much councils
    can raise their rates. Look it up.
    They are trying to abolish it but that won't
    fly. And if it does, there will definitely be
    an adjustment to land valuations.
    Noons, Oct 29, 2008
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    Mr.T Guest

    At least ours takes trouble to point out overall land values have NO affect
    on overall rates, which is a simple fact.
    I'm glad you have time to waste, since it will get you nowhere. You can
    however challenge the valuation when the next one is made.
    Fact: council costs are not linked to property prices. The *only* things
    that govern council rates (or any tier of government taxation) are how much
    they can get away with, and how much demand for services there are.
    How they are actually calculated is pretty ad-hoc with some councils
    charging for Land Value, some for Capital Improved Value, and some with a
    degree of user pays (ie garbage collection etc.)
    Fairness is not even an after-thought for most, let alone a real

    You're lucky then. Not interested in ever living in NSW though.
    No point, I'll take your word for it.

    Mr.T, Oct 30, 2008
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    Noons Guest

    Mr.T wrote,on my timestamp of 30/10/2008 2:35 PM:

    ya don't know what you're missing...
    (been going down the tubes for a
    looong time...)
    Noons, Oct 30, 2008
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    Jeßus Guest

    Good to hear :)
    Yeah, funny that!
    No, not exactly. They just decided to 'revalue' the property I bought
    back in July - in their favour, of course. They sent me a bill for $2-
    something. I've had 3 or 4 bills from the council since July - mostly for
    small amounts, but very annoying. Why could they not just stick it on
    next years rates...
    Hmm, maybe. Not sure how hot they'd be on councils?

    I'm not finished with 'em regarding the local tip, however...
    Jeßus, Oct 30, 2008
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    Noons Guest

    Jeßus wrote,on my timestamp of 31/10/2008 7:47 AM:
    You get stuck on them!
    Noons, Oct 31, 2008
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    Jeßus Guest

    Well, I'm sure certain councillors will appreciate the garbage dumped in
    their driveways.
    Jeßus, Oct 31, 2008
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