[photos] Brighton Pavilion - trying silhouettes

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    Troy Piggins Guest

    Troy Piggins, Apr 20, 2008
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    Paul Furman Guest

    Pretty good, I like that last one though I want to play with the
    cropping a little, or really my first inclination is to go a little
    wider. I have a tough time with those tree framed scenes: never
    satisfied with the composition. That lighting sure is nicer than noon!

    Apart from endless possible fiddly crop/composition comments, the last
    one could have benefited from focusing closer for a hyperfocal DOF. The
    front left branches are out of focus and presumably you were focused at
    infinity whereas the building is probably only 20 meters away so you
    could have focused with the scale on the lens to 10 meters or less and
    got it all sharp.
     
    Paul Furman, Apr 21, 2008
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    Troy Piggins Guest

    Must admit I had thought about cropping a little tighter on that
    last one. The tree framing was intentional, but I think it's too
    much or it extends too far into the shot.

    Hadn't thought about the hyperfocal DOF - I understand the theory
    but at my skill level it's probably the last thing that occurs to
    me. I still have to think about lighting, composition,
    whitebalance, aperture etc - I surprised myself to use the trees
    for framing ;) Good advice though. I'll file it away for next
    time a similar opportunity arises.

    Thanks Paul!
     
    Troy Piggins, Apr 21, 2008
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    Paul Furman Guest

    It doesn't occur to me much either but us critics have the advantage of
    hindsight :) Maybe I'll remember next time too.
     
    Paul Furman, Apr 21, 2008
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    Ken Hart Guest

    Mr Furman is exactly right-- hindsight is always 20/20!
    As for focus, you always have more DOF behind the focus point than in front
    of the focus point. For example, if you focus at 20', you might have DOF
    from 16' to infinity. (numbers pulled from thin air, but not impossible)
    When you shoot landscapes where you are going to have foreground objects,
    try focusing on the distant subject, then on the foreground subject, and set
    the focus halfway between. Depending on the lens, this may work for you.
    For landscape work, a valuable piece of gear is a sturdy tripod.
     
    Ken Hart, Apr 21, 2008
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    Dudley Hanks Guest

    Depending on your camera, hyperfocal is one of those things that can be
    difficult for auto-everything cameras to accomplish. My A720 seems to
    default to a hyperfocal type focus strategy, only deviating from it when the
    subject is really close. Of course, with its smaller sensor, almost
    evrything is almost always in focus...

    The Rebel XT is a bit different. It has a nice setting where the camera
    trys to figure out what is most likely to be the subject, or subjects, and
    then trys to keep it all in focus, shifting the background out of focus if
    necessary / possible (the ADepth setting). But, using aperture priority or
    shutter priority, hyperfocusing seems to be a bit of a challenge when there
    is something close up front you'd rather not shift into a blur.

    For those of us who still yearn for "the good ole days" once and a while,
    hyperfocusing was really easy to do with most manual focus cameras. A good
    portion of my shots were taken using that strategy...


    How about those Nikons? Is there a hyperfocus setting?

    Take Care,
    Dudley
     
    Dudley Hanks, Apr 21, 2008
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    Troy Piggins Guest

    <snip />

    I actually have a DOF calculator on my XDA/phone which calculates
    depth of field and hyperfocal distance for whatever camera
    body/sensor, focal length, aperture, and working distance you
    choose to input. It's basically a Windows Mobile version of
    http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html

    Of course, it needs to occur to me at the time to use
    hyperfocusing for all that to be any use... :)
     
    Troy Piggins, Apr 21, 2008
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    Dudley Hanks Guest

    Now, that is handy. All I got with my phone is a digital voice recorder
    that holds about 2 minutes of sound.

    Take Care,
    Dudley
     
    Dudley Hanks, Apr 21, 2008
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    Troy Piggins Guest

    LOL - mine has that too. Only time I've used it was to record my
    brother snoring while asleep on my couch to play it back to him
    as proof of how loud he is!
     
    Troy Piggins, Apr 21, 2008
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    Paul Furman Guest

    :)
     
    Paul Furman, Apr 21, 2008
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    Alienjones Guest

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    | |> * Dudley Hanks wrote:
    |>> |>>> Troy Piggins wrote:
    |>>>> Hadn't thought about the hyperfocal DOF - I understand the theory
    |>>>> but at my skill level it's probably the last thing that occurs to
    |>>>> me.
    |>>> It doesn't occur to me much either but us critics have the advantage of
    |>>> hindsight :) Maybe I'll remember next time too.
    |>>>
    |>>>> I still have to think about lighting, composition,
    |>>>> whitebalance, aperture etc - I surprised myself to use the trees
    |>>>> for framing ;) Good advice though. I'll file it away for next
    |>>>> time a similar opportunity arises.
    |>>>>
    |>>>> Thanks Paul!
    |>> Depending on your camera, hyperfocal is one of those things that can be
    |>> difficult for auto-everything cameras to accomplish. My A720 seems to
    |>> default to a hyperfocal type focus strategy, only deviating from it
    when
    |>> the
    |>> subject is really close. Of course, with its smaller sensor, almost
    |>> evrything is almost always in focus...
    |>>
    |>> The Rebel XT is a bit different. It has a nice setting where the camera
    |>> trys to figure out what is most likely to be the subject, or subjects,
    |>> and
    |>> then trys to keep it all in focus, shifting the background out of focus
    |>> if
    |>> necessary / possible (the ADepth setting). But, using aperture
    priority
    |>> or
    |>> shutter priority, hyperfocusing seems to be a bit of a challenge when
    |>> there
    |>> is something close up front you'd rather not shift into a blur.
    |>>
    |>> For those of us who still yearn for "the good ole days" once and a
    while,
    |>> hyperfocusing was really easy to do with most manual focus cameras. A
    |>> good
    |>> portion of my shots were taken using that strategy...
    |> <snip />
    |>
    |> I actually have a DOF calculator on my XDA/phone which calculates
    |> depth of field and hyperfocal distance for whatever camera
    |> body/sensor, focal length, aperture, and working distance you
    |> choose to input. It's basically a Windows Mobile version of
    |> http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html
    |>
    |> Of course, it needs to occur to me at the time to use
    |> hyperfocusing for all that to be any use... :)
    |>
    |> --
    | Now, that is handy. All I got with my phone is a digital voice recorder
    | that holds about 2 minutes of sound.
    |
    | Take Care,
    | Dudley
    |
    |
    Depth of field and Hyperfocal isn't going to help that image. It has
    substantial rectilinear distortion not even decent software is going to
    fix. Whatever lens he used it need to see the inside of a garbage can.

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    Alienjones, Apr 21, 2008
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  12. That was my inclination also, so I did it, at 3:2 crop, with half the
    tree trunk showing on the right. It does seem to accentuate the
    perspective distortion of the far minaret.
    Paul-

    Do you always go for framing elements to be in focus, or are there times
    when they are better OoF? In this one, the few large leaves on one or
    two large shrubs/smaller trees is distracting and at this tiny size and
    rez, makes me wonder what it is, until I zoom in see they are leaves.

    If the branches were completely bare, I'm not sure whether razor sharp,
    OoF, or in between might be better. Any one with a good rule of thumb?
     
    John McWilliams, Apr 21, 2008
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  13. Thanks for posting these. Good work and food for thought!

    Do have question: Is the house open for touring? Cameras allowed inside?
    Did you tour and what's your thought? I will be in the area in a month,
    and that's the one thing I'd go to Brighton for.
     
    John McWilliams, Apr 21, 2008
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    Paul Furman Guest

    The rule of thumb is the foreground should be in focus. Autofocus
    defaults work that way. I agree the leaves are what caught my attention.
     
    Paul Furman, Apr 21, 2008
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    Troy Piggins Guest

    We only had an afternoon there, and by the time we got to the
    Pavilion it was closing in 1/2hr and they weren't admitting any
    more people. Think that was around 4.30pm, so get there earlier
    than that or do it first before the Pier. Really disappointed we
    didn't get inside.

    As far as photography inside, not sure. Some places we visited
    don't allow it due to "copyright" - particularly places
    associated with the Royal Family. If I had to guess I'd say they
    wouldn't allow it here.

    Other things we saw in Brighton was obviously wander along the
    Pier, browse the shops in The Lanes, had fish and chips :) , walk
    along the pebble beach. Unfortunately that's all we had time
    for.

    Not sure where else you're going, but if you get a chance - Leeds
    Castle in Kent (not Leeds, West Yorkshire) was a great day. It
    was donated to the Heritage Society or National Trust (can't
    remember which) by Lady Bailey so it doesn't fall under that
    copyright issue and you can take photos inside. There's huge
    grounds with a duckery, averies, birds in flight/falconry show,
    the castle and moat itself. Great day IMO.

    Another good day we had was Isle of Wight. Take a car, you'll
    need it if you only have a day there.

    And Marwell Zoological Park I thought was pretty good too.

    Hope that helps :)
     
    Troy Piggins, Apr 21, 2008
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    Rob. Guest



    In the UK there are two factions National Trust and British Heritage.

    Get a British Heritage pass look it up on the net.

    And buy the Australian National Trust membership, who have reciprocal
    rights to the british National Trust properties, which is cheaper than
    the English National trust pass.

    Check which properties you want to see. Most are good toilet stops.
    There is a free book available from the National Trust listing the
    property details including the opening days/times, the AA road map has
    all the sites marked one has a leaf the other a castle.

    We have the Australian National trust membership and paid to enter the
    other sites. Let me say you get sick of castles. You will get more than
    enough from the National trust properties.

    You can get a 4 day pass to see thing around and in London Tower of
    London etc. Check that one out.
     
    Rob., Apr 22, 2008
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    XxYyZz Guest


    Nice work Troy. I really like 6601 and 6605. Really like the architecture
    on that building. Did you get any shots on the inside ?
     
    XxYyZz, Apr 22, 2008
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    Troy Piggins Guest

    Thanks. Actually as we got there they weren't admitting anyone
    else because it closed in 1/2hr :( So didn't get any shots
    inside.
     
    Troy Piggins, Apr 22, 2008
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