Photoshop Elements and Photoshop

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    N.Coffey Guest

    Could anyone who has used Photoshop Elements and the full Photoshop
    program tell me if they are very similar to use, with Photoshop just
    having a few more professional features? I've been to the Adobe
    website and I can't find a list comparing features.

    If a person had Elements but took a beginners cours in Photoshop,
    would she be able to apply most of what she learned to Elements? A
    friend wants to buy and learn Elements, but the local community
    college only has night courses in Photoshop.

    Thank you,
    Nancy

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    N.Coffey, Jun 4, 2005
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    N.Coffey Guest

    Thanks for replying. I have read this before, but it's hard to believe
    that there can be such a difference in price. My friend will be very
    happy.

    Nancy
     
    N.Coffey, Jun 4, 2005
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    N.Coffey Guest

    What can PSP do that PSE can't? I use Elements myself and have been
    happy with it, but I don't have any high-end requirements. The job my
    friend is going to do suggests using Photoshop and I thought she could
    do the work with PSE.

    Nancy


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    Tony Guest

    There isn't a 900 hundred dollar difference. The guy is completely wrong,
    and probably an idiot.
    Elements does not have the ability to work with 16 bit images which
    makes it useless for professional image editing but certainly good enough
    for most people who don't have a pile of old faded film around that has to
    be restored.
    Instead of taking a course in the wrong program however, I would
    recommend picking up one of the books on Elements. It is not that
    complicated a program. Besides, much of the course would probably be geared
    toward people who want to use Photoshop for graphic design - which is much
    more complicated than using it as an image editor and where all the
    whoop-di-do techniques come in.
     
    Tony, Jun 4, 2005
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    Tony Guest

    Not a damn thing - It is essentially a drawing program that has attracted
    a bunce of propeller heads who have the same inane attitude as the
    Mac-Rulez! dorks.
    If you want a program for under 100 dollars that can do 16 bit images, go
    to Corel Photo-Paint.
     
    Tony, Jun 4, 2005
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  6. : Could anyone who has used Photoshop Elements and the full Photoshop
    : program tell me if they are very similar to use, with Photoshop just
    : having a few more professional features? I've been to the Adobe
    : website and I can't find a list comparing features.

    : If a person had Elements but took a beginners cours in Photoshop,
    : would she be able to apply most of what she learned to Elements? A
    : friend wants to buy and learn Elements, but the local community
    : college only has night courses in Photoshop.

    Yes they are very similar. I would characterize the difference as Elemants
    is a subset of PS. They look the same and work the same but PS has a few
    more High End functions. For most non-professional photogs, Elements is
    probably the better bet. Until you (or your friend) gets into more power
    editing like for art shows, publications, etc or wishes to move from
    photography (with touchup) to ART (with major image manipulation) Elements
    will probably do fine.

    So your friend will probably do fine taking the PS course and then
    applying the learning to PSE. There will be some functions that will not
    be available, but learning about layers, edit tools (such as lasso), color
    correction, as well as some image distortion tools, you can do this in
    either program in the same way.

    The one caution I have is that some such courses require the student to
    have or get a copy of the program to use for homework. If there is not a
    "lab" with the software available for this use your friend may have to get
    PS to be able to do all their homework. This is something that your friend
    should check before assuming that having PSE at home will suffice.

    Randy

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    Randy Berbaum
    Champaign, IL
     
    Randy Berbaum, Jun 4, 2005
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    Paul Mitchum Guest

    If you know you need 16-bit color space, and you know you need CYMK and
    other color modes, then you know you need PS. If you don't know what
    those things are, then you might only need Elements.
    Yes.
     
    Paul Mitchum, Jun 4, 2005
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    Ron Hunter Guest

    Nancy,
    Those which come out near eachother in time are usually quite similar
    in interface. Instructions for doing things in Photoshop 6 or 7 are
    usually the same in PSE2. For PSE3, which is much different, and more
    'Mac-like', the newer PS CS2 is likely to be more similar in function.
    PSE3 even has some functions PS-CS lacks, such as an organizer. I am
    sure that for a beginner's course PSE2 or 3 would be sufficient.
     
    Ron Hunter, Jun 4, 2005
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    Ron Hunter Guest

    PSE3 has limited 16 bit operations.
     
    Ron Hunter, Jun 4, 2005
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    Mark B. Guest

    Hardly a $900 difference, more like $550. I upgraded my PSE 2 to PS for
    $300 through a special upgrade Canon had set up with Adobe, it was well
    worth it.

    Mark
     
    Mark B., Jun 4, 2005
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    N.Coffey Guest

    Thank you for this useful information. The last paragraph brings up
    another question. Is the native file format the same for PSE and PS?
    If a person saved a file in the PSE proprietary format, could a person
    who only had Photoshop open it and still work on the different layers?
    I know that if you save your work as a jpg or tif, you lose the
    layers.

    Nancy
     
    N.Coffey, Jun 4, 2005
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    John Bean Guest

    Actually TIFF supports all PS features...

    But as to the PSD format, it's identical in PSE3 and CS for
    example. You can even save a file in CS with (say) curves in
    an adjustment layer and PSE can open it *and* render the
    curves layer correctly - it just won't allow you to edit it.
    You can edit anything allowed and save it, then open it back
    up in CS with everything intact.
     
    John Bean, Jun 4, 2005
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    Ron Hunter Guest

    Yes, to both.
    Compatibility may not go back the other way if PS specific features are
    used, however.
     
    Ron Hunter, Jun 4, 2005
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    N.Coffey Guest

    Many thanks to John, Randy, Tony, Barry and everyone else for very
    helpful information about these two programs. I found out everything I
    wanted to know and then some.

    Nancy
     
    N.Coffey, Jun 4, 2005
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  15. How similar is the user interface of PSE to full Photoshop?

    Background: I have a full Photoshop licence, though I haven't upgraded
    to the current version. I've also received several copies of the older
    Photoshop LE with various pieces of hardware (camera, scanner, etc).
    I found PS LE to be a useful tool on machines lacking full PS because
    the user interface was essentially the same.

    Then I got a copy of Adobe Photo Deluxe (PSE's predecessor). I hated
    it. The interface was completely dumbed down, and the "wizards" hid
    what was actually going on.

    Now there is Photoshop Elements. Is it like PS LE (same interface with
    some functions missing) or Photo Deluxe (interface designed for idiots?)

    Dave
     
    Dave Martindale, Jun 5, 2005
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    John Bean Guest

    Camera Raw is the most obvious. It also includes a "better"
    Album that can handle raw files as well. There's a free
    30-day trial, download it and see for yourself.
     
    John Bean, Jun 5, 2005
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  17. It is like PS with some functions missing. Well, sort of: it also has a
    few extras that mimic Photo Deluxe functions. You don't have to use them
    if you don't want to.

    It is in fact quite a bargain: 80% of PhotoShop for 20% of the price.
    The only bad thing about it is the photo catalog program that is so good
    that I'm still searching for a replacement. This is the Mac version,
    though; I unstand the MS Windows version is better.
     
    Kees van Reeuwijk, Jun 5, 2005
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    Ron Hunter Guest

    The organizer in PSE3 is said to be better than Album., and there are
    the new 'healing brush', which is great, and the 'separate and
    straighten' which is useful if you deal with scanned photos often. The
    interface leans heavily toward the 'Mac' interface in appearance.
     
    Ron Hunter, Jun 5, 2005
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  19. In this sense: Adobe has long had a cheaper sibling to Photoshop. For a
    while it was PS LE, and that was the only alternative that you saw.
    Then PhotoDeluxe started appearing bundled with hardware, and PS LE
    seemed to disappear at the same time. Now there is Elements available
    everywhere, but I haven't seen PS LE or PD recently, so I assume they've
    been discontinued and PSE is the low-end program du jour.
    Well, OK. That was a bit of hyperbole. But it's possible to have a
    program provide both the simple interface and leave the tools
    accessible too. It sounds like PSE does some of this. I hated
    PhotoDeluxe because it took away the useful tools and left only the
    simplified interface that never did what I wanted.

    Dave
     
    Dave Martindale, Jun 5, 2005
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    kashe Guest

    It's ublikely that a school, especially one at the community
    college level, would expect students tomake such a purchase. In many
    cases, the school, in addition to lab computers, has access to either
    a student edition or to a 90-day trial version which should cover the
    duration of the course.

    When I once took a course in Windows 2000 Server, the 90-day
    free version was entirely adequate.
     
    kashe, Jun 7, 2005
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