Photoshop, or Photoshop Elements / Apple or PC?

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by John Phillips, Jul 23, 2005.

  1. By just buying Elements, would I miss out on much?

    Second question, what is best to store and manipulate photos on - Apple or

    (Not a troll btw!)
    John Phillips, Jul 23, 2005
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    Ed Ruf Guest

    I'm giving the trial a go and can't see how to do a simple crop of X by Y
    pixels. The crop tool doesn't seem have anything like this as inputs.
    Hopefully, someone here will show me the error of my ways.
    Ed Ruf, Jul 23, 2005
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    G.T. Guest

    Not really, if Elements 3.0 didn't crash every 10 minutes on my Mac I'd
    stick to using it over PS CS. Although I am starting to get into actions
    which I think are only available in CS and older versions of the full
    Whatever floats your boat. Color management is much more convenient on the
    Mac, though. I use my Mac because that's the system in my home with the
    best monitor attached to it.

    G.T., Jul 24, 2005
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    Paul Mitchum Guest

    Yes. Whether you need that stuff is up to you.
    Har. :)

    I haven't tried the new Mac OS (Tiger), but I hear Spotlight (the search
    system) can do searches based on EXIF and other forms of metadata.
    Paul Mitchum, Jul 24, 2005
  5. Second question, what is best to store and manipulate photos on - Apple or
    I'm in the PC business and used to rent office space inside a Mac sales and
    support company - it made for some fun debates!

    Trying to put all bias aside, the same program (albeit Mac -v- PC code)
    should function in the same way on either platform. Macs used to have a
    massive stronghold in the graphics and education markets, but in the last
    figures I saw (several years ago) PCs had overtaken them - proportionally
    though, the Mac share was still quite remarkable - they had something like
    3% of the world market, yet around 50% of the graphics market.

    I'm not sure what they're up to these days - but I do know that PC hardware
    has dropped in cost to a ridiculous value - to the point where just one
    major app like photoshop costs me more than the basic hardware to run it :(
    Cockpit Colin, Jul 24, 2005
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    CFB Guest

    Not really any huge difference when it comes to photography only. But go
    to the book store and check out "Photoshop CS for Digital
    Photographers". Then look for an Elements book of the same ilk.
    Apple Macintosh hands down. It's more stable, does not get afflicted
    with spyware and viruses, and it has been the artist's choice for a
    decade for a reason.
    CFB, Jul 24, 2005
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    CFB Guest

    You get what you pay for. ;^)

    Anyway, the new Mac Mini's are coming out soon. $500. I would say it is
    worth looking into.

    Peace out.
    CFB, Jul 24, 2005
  8. CFB wrote:
    Isn't anyone buying a non-Intel Mac today buying into a dying product

    David J Taylor, Jul 24, 2005
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    Dick Muldoon Guest

    I just converted back to Mac (Tiger) from XP -- it wasn't cheap, but it
    was the right move for me. Photoshop operates the same on both
    platforms so that's a non-issue. In terms of stability, usability, and
    quality of display and color management, however, Mac wins hands down.
    For me. It's not cheap, but lots of people find it a better enabler and
    a better long-term value for graphics/video/audio work. I certainly do.

    Re dying platform, the Mac I bought this year will last me five years
    easily. By then Apple will have not only ported OS/X to the Intel
    platform -- it's a UNIX core; I'm sure they've done it already -- but
    *also* figured out how to run XP or Longhorn or whatever Redmond has
    available natively on the Intel chip. Packaged in a box with
    Apple-quality physical/system design. I think the upgrade path for
    OS/X+apps is pretty exciting and the processor switch a fascinating
    opportunity for Apple to get back in the game big time.
    Dick Muldoon, Jul 24, 2005
  10. Microsoft is so far ahead of Mac in terms of stability and graphics/video
    work that they don't even look in the rear view mirror to see if they are
    gaining. The simple gesture of Mac porting to an Intel chip is a clear
    indication of them swallowing massive quantities of crow while drowning.

    Rita Ä Berkowitz, Jul 24, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    On the left side of the screen, there is a crop tool, right under the
    "T" (text). Press it.

    Then enter the pixel dimensions in the width and height boxes as follows:
    500 px 400 px.
    (you have to enter the "px" as well as the numbers in the box)

    This will crop to that ratio, as well as resize the image in one go.

    Alan Browne, Jul 24, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    If you're just making crops, color correction, USM, and such, Elements
    3.0 is fine.

    If you're making major changes to the image, doing critical color work
    and complex changes, then CS2.

    ( The adobe website details the advantages of CS2 )
    No difference in the end.
    Alan Browne, Jul 24, 2005
  13. You sound like a MS employee (read drone), MS sells information
    suppression software to communist China and The US government
    is allowing it (food for the thinking consumer). Bottom line I wouldn't
    knowingly buy jack from ole "Bill". But I have nothing personal to gain
    and nothing personally against MS.

    I know quite a few Apple users & have yet to hear any complaints from
    any Apple users, however this is not the case from PC users-that use MS
    products. So that there is no confusion Apple makes computers and
    software MS only makes software which is included on most PC
    Little Green Eyed Dragon, Jul 24, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    The reason Apple is switching to Intel have to do with the shortcomings
    of PowerPC in power consumption for portable computers.
    Alan Browne, Jul 24, 2005
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    CFB Guest

    HE HE! They said that 13 years ago!
    CFB, Jul 24, 2005
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    CFB Guest

    Dear lovely Rita meter maid,

    Question: How long have you used 10.3.9 and how long have you used XP?
    CFB, Jul 24, 2005
  17. Nope, I'm just a happy Microsoft user that doesn't have all the *perceived*
    problems most of the whiners complain about.
    You just found the answer that has eluded most people for years, "MS only
    makes software". Most people (clueless) find it convenient to not factor
    this into the equation when they have a problem and put all the blame on the
    software. The bulk of these issues are commonly traced back to poor of
    improperly configured hardware.

    I'm using XP Pro SP2 and Photoshop without any problems or complaints, but
    then again, it's on an antiquated Supermicro dual P4 2.4 Ghz Xeon (Socket
    603), SCSI RAID system. It hasn't hiccupped in years.

    Rita Ä Berkowitz, Jul 24, 2005
  18. Nope, do a Google search and you'll quickly see that the primary reason is
    purely motivated by economics. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against
    Apple and find their products to be top notch, but I know what is best when
    all the marketing hype is stripped away.

    Rita Ä Berkowitz, Jul 24, 2005
  19. I'm strictly a user of MS and Redhat Linux (Fedora Core). While I find
    Apple products to be top-notch they have nothing to offer me beyond what MS

    Rita Ä Berkowitz, Jul 24, 2005
  20. I read it as a short coming of Motorola versus Apple. If
    Apple chooses to use a better part to make their product
    so much the better....doubtful it will equate to a compromise
    on Apple equipment or quality,... as some people believe.

    As you have stated Apple does make top notch hardware
    and software and one pays the price for it, just like buying a
    Lexus (which I can't afford:) But its the same idea, a less expensive
    machine will still get you to the store :)
    Little Green Eyed Dragon, Jul 24, 2005
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