Photoshop recommendations

Discussion in 'Photoshop Tutorials' started by Neil Jones, Dec 24, 2008.

  1. Neil Jones

    tony cooper Guest

    There really isn't anything "better" than the Adobe products because
    when evaluating a photo editing program you should take into account
    all of the functions possible with that program. I'm familiar with
    most of the above-named products, and they each have some functions
    that are quite functional for basic editing. After all, functions
    like crop, resize, and adjustment of brightness/contrast are the
    primary level editing functions, and all of these programs do this.

    Where the Adobe programs kick in is when you want to do more
    sophisticated editing...adjustment layers, for example. An adjustment
    layer allows you to change Levels, Brightness/Contrast, Hue and
    Saturation, etc in a non-permanent way that allows you to come back
    and tweak individual steps.

    A program that doesn't offer adjustment layers isn't a bad program,
    but it doesn't allow you to grow. There are other features of
    Photoshop (full version) and Elements that the same can be said for.

    There are plug-ins and add-ons available for Photoshop products that
    make certain image modifications easier. I'm currently trying out a
    filter plug-in called Color FX Pro; it came (free) bundled with a
    Wacom tablet I purchased. It doesn't do anything that I can't do in
    Photoshop (full version) or Elements, but it makes certain effects
    easier to do. There are hundreds of free downloadable Action sets for
    Photoshop (full version).

    The wide usage base of Adobe products ensures that more and more
    plug-ins and Actions will be available in the future. It also ensures
    that more tutorials will be available for Photoshop and Elements. I
    don't think this is true of some of the other programs the poster has
    listed.

    The statements of the above poster are typical of the type of person
    who has made his own choice and feels he has to justify that choice by
    talking about Adobe as "outdated" and "outclassed". He may be able to
    do photo editing to his own satisfaction with these substitutes, but
    it's unlikely that his results will be on par with someone who is
    proficient in any of the Adobe products.

    It's sad that this person feels he has to denigrate the Adobe products
    just because he is satisfied with something else.
     
    tony cooper, Dec 26, 2008
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  2. Neil Jones

    ronviers Guest

    Another good reason to use Photoshop, even though it does have more of
    a learning curve, is that it is the industry standard. For example,
    when you configure the preferences inside Maya (a popular 3d package)
    the only application singled out is 'Application Path for Editing
    Adobe Photoshop Files'. And if you watch video number fourteen 'Import
    PSD' files at this url:

    http://www.eyeonline.com/Web/EyeonWeb/marketing/21reasons/21reasons_15.aspx

    You will see that Fusion assumes you are working with Adobe PS. This
    is just a couple of examples but it happens all over. Adobe takes
    being the leader very seriously.
    So if your plan is to start with processing photos but then eventually
    move on to other areas then consider sticking it out with Photoshop.
     
    ronviers, Dec 26, 2008
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  3. Neil Jones

    tony cooper Guest

    I used PSP when it was a free product offered by Jasc. I lost
    interest in it when Corel took over. Not for any good reason, though.
    I just don't like Corel because they refuse to support older versions
    of WordPerfect. They require you to continually update even though
    your current version is perfectly adequate for what you do. I
    switched to Open Office for this reason.

    I still use CorelDraw 9, but I'll hang on to that as long as it works.
    The version I have does everything I need it to do.

    I'm a bit of a Luddite in this. If a program does what I want, I
    don't want to change just because a new version is available. I'm
    quite satisfied with Photoshop 7.0 and Elements 5.0. I've used the
    trial versions of the Photoshop CS versions and Elements 6.0. I
    didn't find anything in them that looked particularly useful to me.

    Naturally, I'm still on WindowsXP and have no interest in Vista.

    I should mention that I don't make a living using any of these
    programs. If I was a professional user, my attitude might be
    different.
     
    tony cooper, Dec 26, 2008
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  4. Neil Jones

    -hh Guest

    Something else to be aware of is that if you're taking a local college
    class, this may make you eligible for a "Student" (Academic Discount)
    version of whatever software you're looking at learning.

    For example, the Academic price on the full blown version of Photoshop
    CS4 is around $198, and Photoshop Elements $65.


    -hh
     
    -hh, Dec 26, 2008
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  5. Above all, I recommend a program that's cross platform, and one in which
    there's room to grow.
     
    John McWilliams, Dec 26, 2008
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  6. Neil Jones

    ray Guest

    I find that ufraw allows one to do basic processing on RAW files - it's
    also Open Source and free.

    One main benefit of GIMP, ufraw and other open source programs. You can
    try it for free with no limitations. If they don't meet your needs, then
    you can move along and spend some serious bucks. Please not, also, that
    it has been mentioned that the expensive software often has free trial
    versions - the kicker is that they are generally restricted in what they
    can do.
     
    ray, Dec 26, 2008
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  7. Neil Jones

    Hans Dull Guest

    I can recommend GIMP 2.6.3 - It has everything an amateur photographer needs
    and it runs on Linux as well as on any Windows (The CPU should be fast
    allready for both, Gimp or (PS) Photoshop). In my opinon, PS Elements has
    lower funtionality than Gimp, wich has lower functionality than Photoshop
    CS. PS is a verry powerful Software which ist too powerful for an Amateur.
     
    Hans Dull, Dec 26, 2008
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  8. Neil Jones

    Guest Guest

    photoshop has a free trial version.
    there is no restriction in functionality. it just expires after 30
    days.
     
    Guest, Dec 26, 2008
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  9. Neil Jones

    ray Guest

    Geez - that would seem to be a major restriction!
     
    ray, Dec 26, 2008
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  10. Neil Jones

    The Real Bev Guest

    Has anybody tried Picasa recently? Unless you want to do something
    elaborate, it works really nicely. Newest improvement -- a clone-like
    tool which is REALLY easy. The easy red-eye correction has been in
    there for a long time.

    The price is right, and the on-line albums aren't all that bad either..
     
    The Real Bev, Dec 26, 2008
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  11. Neil Jones

    Guest Guest

    Geez - that would seem to be a major restriction![/QUOTE]

    how much time do you need to evaluate it and decide if it is worth
    purchasing? 30 days is fairly generous; most people probably can
    decide within a week or two.
     
    Guest, Dec 26, 2008
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  12. Neil Jones

    Dave Cohen Guest

    My local library has some stuff on both PS and Elements. Not sure what
    versions are covered. I got a $50 gift certificate for Barnes & Noble so
    I'll see what they carry.
    Dave Cohen
     
    Dave Cohen, Dec 26, 2008
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  13. Neil Jones

    Dave Cohen Guest

    That's good logic if it applies to Elements and I'm going to give taht
    one a try. However, the jump in price from Elements or something like
    PSP or PhotoPlus in my opinion cannot be justified by the points you
    make true as they maybe.
    A similar situation exists with PageMaker and PagePlus which I have used
    for years. The latter is perfectly adequate for the majority of needs.
    Both PageMaker and PS are geared towards the professional with pre-press
    preparation in mind. My guess is half the people using the full version
    product didn't pay for it anyway, I do miss my working days when I could
    play with software at company expense.
    Dave Cohen
     
    Dave Cohen, Dec 26, 2008
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  14. Neil Jones

    tony cooper Guest

    If you purchase Elements 5.0, 6.0, or 7.0, and all your library
    carries are books on 4.0 or any previous version to what you purchase,
    it won't make a great deal of difference to you. The basic functions
    have not changed. A book on 4.0 will be useful in learning how to use
    6.0. It won't cover some added features, but you'll be starting out
    with the basics. Some of the new features are pretty
    self-explanatory. Just try them and see what they do.
     
    tony cooper, Dec 26, 2008
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  15. Neil Jones

    ray Guest

    I have no plans to steal anything. I use Open Source software almost
    exclusively - I'm quite happy with GIMP and ufraw - do everything I need;
    at least for now.
     
    ray, Dec 27, 2008
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  16. Neil Jones

    ray Guest

    how much time do you need to evaluate it and decide if it is worth
    purchasing? 30 days is fairly generous; most people probably can decide
    within a week or two.[/QUOTE]

    Considering that most users take a week or two long class to learn how to
    use photoshop - it does seem rather limiting.
     
    ray, Dec 27, 2008
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  17. Neil Jones

    Guest Guest

    Considering that most users take a week or two long class to learn how to
    use photoshop - it does seem rather limiting.[/QUOTE]

    i doubt most do, but assuming they did take such a class, they'd still
    have 2-3 weeks left in which to evaluate it. usually, people just play
    with it, trying various tutorials found on the 'net.
     
    Guest, Dec 27, 2008
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  18. Neil Jones

    ray Guest

    I expect that adobe would have better luck with a 90 day period. It's all
    really about trying to get the potential buyer 'hooked'. Yes - 90 days
    would seem quite reasonable.
     
    ray, Dec 27, 2008
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  19. Neil Jones

    ray Guest

    I might even be willing to evaluate photoshop and all it's offshoots.
    I'll consider that when they release Linux version. In the meantime, from
    what I've seen, it seems to me that GIMP is more intuitive anyway.
     
    ray, Dec 27, 2008
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  20. Neil Jones

    tony cooper Guest

    I don't know where you get that idea. Certainly, some user have taken
    a class, but it's far from "most". Even the people who have taken a
    class are usually people who have worked with Photoshop for a period
    of time and signed up for a class to improve their skills.

    Not only have most people not taken a class, but it's not that easy to
    find a Photoshop class. Some universities have undergraduate courses
    in graphic design, but they aren't for beginning Photoshop users.
    Some community colleges have non-credit courses, but are usually so
    general that they are not worthwhile to take.

    I attended a half-day "class" put on by Adobe at one of the Adobe
    traveling roadshows, but it was nothing more than a presentation of
    the newest version that highlighted the new features. It was not
    hands-on. It wasn't worth the time for me.

    The average non-professional who uses the full Photoshop is
    self-taught from books or online tutorials. The average
    non-professional is employed full-time and doesn't have the time
    available to take a university course if one was offered.

    A person interested in using Photoshop who downloads the trial version
    and works through some of the on-line tutorials, or follows a book
    with an enclosed CD of examples, will gradually pick up the basic
    skills. How proficient that person becomes will depend on how much
    time he spends on tutorials or completing projects from books.

    If you follow the Adobe forums you'll find that most new users are
    learning the basics by this method.

    I have been using full Photoshop for six years, and except for that
    rather disappointing half-day, I've never taken a class. I'm no pro,
    but I'm rather advanced in the use of Photoshop.

    I don't know why you would make a statement about "most" users when
    you have no idea what "most" users do. I've followed the Photoshop
    newsgroups and forums for six years, and I think I have a good idea of
    what "most" do.
     
    tony cooper, Dec 27, 2008
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