Photoshop recommendations

Discussion in 'Photoshop Tutorials' started by Neil Jones, Dec 24, 2008.

  1. Neil Jones

    Matt Ion Guest

    And this is reason I should change what I'm already comfortable and
    happy with?

    PSP has changed much over the years. As has GIMP. As has Windows,
    MacOS, *nix, and computer hardware in general. I see no point in
    changing just for the sake of changing.
     
    Matt Ion, Dec 27, 2008
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  2. Neil Jones

    Matt Ion Guest

    Probably 99% of my photo work is done in Picasa. I love some of the
    additions made to V3. There's still some things I'd like to see, but
    it's improving a lot, and it's quick and easy for most of what I really
    need to do. I especially like the third-party plugin for easy upload to
    my Facebook account.
     
    Matt Ion, Dec 27, 2008
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    tony cooper Guest

    I don't see where it was suggested that you change anything. You made
    the statement that Photoshop's interface is rather unintuitive. You
    added that the interface and feature don't appeal to you. (If I've
    read the attributions correctly)

    John brought up the fact that there are newer versions available, and
    implied in that comment is that the newer versions may offer an
    interface that is more to your liking. That's not a suggestion to
    change. That's simply a point to consider.
     
    tony cooper, Dec 27, 2008
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  4. Neil Jones

    Shawn Hirn Guest

    I am a long-time Photoshop user and for amateur's, I strongly recommend
    Photoshop Elements. Everything you need to do is available in Photoshop
    Elements at a fraction of the price of the full Photoshop. You can be
    PSE anywhere you can buy Photoshop.

    By the way, there's a very active Photoshop newsgroup, which I think is
    called comp.graphics.apps.photoshop or something along those lines.
    There are also online discussion groups on Photoshop on Adobe's web
    site. All of those forums are resources you should check out.
     
    Shawn Hirn, Dec 27, 2008
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    Ragnar Guest

     
    Ragnar, Dec 27, 2008
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    ray Guest

    OK, so let's say 'many' rather than 'most'. The point I was attempting to
    make is that unless you spend most of your day every day in front of the
    computer playing with the software, 30 days is likely to be enough to get
    a very general introduction - certainly not to master anything or get a
    real feel for what it will do. I have a life aside from photography. My
    time would be limited to a few hours here and there. I find 30 days to be
    quite a short evaluation period. But since I'm not likely to evaluate
    adobe products until the Linux version comes out, I guess my opinion does
    not count.
     
    ray, Dec 27, 2008
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    KatWoman Guest


    Just be aware some of the youtube ones I saw advocate poor techniques

    I highly recommend the Adobe website tutorials and Russell Brown (if you can
    get by his weird "sense of humor")
    always top notch techniques
    and great ideas

    If the vids do not play from the page
    right click and choose save target as
    let them download to your comp and watch later

    same to you all
    happy whatever you celebrate
     
    KatWoman, Dec 27, 2008
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  8. Neil Jones

    KatWoman Guest

    If you take a class the comps have educational copies already installed on
    the comps in the room

    no purchase other than course money is required
    also qualifies you to buy a cheaper and fully functional and identical
    program of PS at educational prices

    wonder why gimp and free program fans who dislike PS hang out here in PS
    users group and feel the need to make put downs?

    like Chevy drivers dissing Ferraris
     
    KatWoman, Dec 27, 2008
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  9. Neil Jones

    KatWoman Guest

    have to agree tony
    the "courses" are mostly sales pitches you pay for
    and all about the upgrades

    never took any courses just learned bit by bit since version 4.0
    and learned more as I went along
    and I still learn new things and adapt to changes in the program as it
    upgrades to new versions

    I was invited to teach as a guest lecturer at a fashion college
    it seems the regular professor was a little clueless himself
    just used the syllabus book
    learned his stuff the night before and then taught it the next day!!!
    his background is web design and although proficient at that when it came to
    retouching and creating images photography techniques and enhancing etc he
    was a little out his box
    hence my invite

    I would be pissed if I paid for a course with a teacher like that
    I can read a book myself

    he gets $35 US dollars an hour for that!~!!
     
    KatWoman, Dec 27, 2008
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  10. Neil Jones

    Guest Guest

    that's all it's supposed to do - give you an introduction so that you
    can decide whether to choose it over another product.
    30 days is more than enough to get an idea whether or not to purchase
    the product.

    if you only spend a couple hours here and there, then the full suite is
    clearly not for you (it's targeted at pros who make their living with
    it). a better choice would be photoshop elements. it's just $100,
    often found for less and even free when it's bundled with hardware.

    in other words, if you haven't decided in 30 days for something that
    costs as little as $30-50 or so, you probably don't want it all that
    much. extending the trial period to 90 days is not likely to result in
    changing your mind.
    the likelihood of a linux version of adobe creative suite is for all
    intents, zero. in fact, they actually had a bsd version of photoshop
    in the early 90s and it didn't sell.
     
    Guest, Dec 27, 2008
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    ray Guest

    Excuse me? rec.photo.digital is NOT a "PS users group". And I'm not
    putting anything down. Simply suggesting that there are other things
    worth trying that won't cost an arm and a leg and will probably do all
    most folks need.
     
    ray, Dec 27, 2008
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  12. nice to know...
    This might be, because this post is crossposted in 4 different groups
    (look at the headers) and not every of this groups is dedicated to
    photoshop. But this is only my own clueless assumption.

    did someone diss photoshop? I've read the thread but I did not see
    someone really saying something agains PS. Only people telling, that It
    does not have to be photoshop since there are alternatives.

    And just to finish this: Just because a software is used by the biggest
    part of the audience it does not always mean that it is the best
    software for everyone and anything.

    For me personally: I can't (don't want to) afford PS. So instead of
    using a pirated copy I'm just using Gimp. Maybe also because I'm using
    linux :)

    kruemi
     
    Marco Tedaldi, Dec 27, 2008
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  13. Neil Jones

    ray Guest

    Both of which I don't read - yet I'm chastised for posting a reply in
    rec.photo.digital. Well, at least I can see where you folks are coming
    from.
     
    ray, Dec 27, 2008
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  14. Also known as "anecdotical evidence". Consequently I dare say the earth
    is flat, smoking & drinking is good for your health and the stars are
    responsible for our destiny.
    So it is you who is qualified what is judge what an intelligent choice
    and what is not? Now fancy that!
    If you really think there'd be a "best" solution the reason for this may
    have less to do with there actually is a "best" solution but rather that
    your personal horizon does not reach much farther than the tip of your nose.

    Personally I am sure mentioned projection not to be overly protruding,
    Juergen
     
    Juergen Heinzl, Dec 28, 2008
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    CJ Guest

    Ahh... The ol' PhotoLine32 troll returns. I wondered when you would
    surface in this thread.
     
    CJ, Dec 28, 2008
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    tony cooper Guest


    Photoshop users will not tell you they have mastered Photoshop in 30
    days even if they devote their full time to Photoshop. However, a 30
    day trial is more than adequate to evaluate a product. Assuming one
    hour each night five times a week and you have 20 or more hours of
    hands-on use. That's more than enough time to make an evaluation.
     
    tony cooper, Dec 28, 2008
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    The Real Bev Guest

    I imagine GIMP would be really nifty if I wanted to use it bad enough to
    actually learn to do stuff with it. I remember that the 'remove the
    redeye' instructions took 3 pages and still didn't work :-(

    Portunately we Friends of the Penguin have Picasa. Doesn't do
    everything that even PS Elements does, but it does what I need.

    --
    Cheers,
    Bev
    *******************************************
    My computer doesn't have to be friendly;
    civil is entirely sufficient.
     
    The Real Bev, Dec 28, 2008
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  18. Neil Jones

    Neil Jones Guest

    For now, I think I will stay with GIMP (to save some money).

    Thank you everyone for giving me great ideas about which product would
    better suit my amateur skills.

    Happy New Year and peace on earth everyone!

    Regards,

    NJ
     
    Neil Jones, Dec 28, 2008
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  19. Neil Jones

    Neil Jones Guest

    There were sold out! I am keeping an eye out for them. Someone earlier
    suggested about Elements being shipped with Wacom Tablets. That version
    of Elements is sort of old. Hopefully in February/March it will be a
    Tablet + CS3.

    Cheers,

    NJ
     
    Neil Jones, Dec 28, 2008
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    tony cooper Guest

    I just got my Wacom Bamboo Fun tablet. The bundled software includes
    Elements 5.0, Corel Painter, and Nik Color Efex Pro 2.0. $87 from
    BuyDig. I already have Elements 5.0, but I like the Nik program.
    I tried the Wacom Bamboo on a very detailed masking project in
    Photoshop, and it works a treat.
     
    tony cooper, Dec 28, 2008
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