Photoshop recommendations

Discussion in 'Photoshop Tutorials' started by Neil Jones, Dec 24, 2008.

  1. Neil Jones

    Leo Lichtman Guest

    I think you're being a little harsh, John. The posters to this thread were
    not only responding to the OP, but also exchanging ideas among themselves.
    I think many questions raised in such newsgroups, and this is a good
    example, are informative to many others--they provide answers to questions
    that many did not know how to ask.
    Leo Lichtman, Dec 28, 2008
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    KatWoman Guest

    thanks JD
    and Frank Arthur if you see this message
    I will be at the NG from now on

    seems a more civil bunch
    been coming to these other two groups many years till I was the only female
    left on here
    now there are just too many hostile nasty misogynists
    ungrateful louts
    who bitch and complain about FREE ADVICE
    KatWoman, Dec 28, 2008
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    Neil Jones Guest

    Thanks for pointing this out. To John's credit who participated in a
    seperate thread, I ended up buying a Panasonic Lumix FZ28S which I love.
    The pictures that I get from this camera are amazing. Suddenly, I
    decided to get more creative and started exploring Photoshop products.
    Ultimately, since I am the "Decider" ;-) I have to be careful about
    pocket busting software products. Even if it only costs $28. The
    hidden expense from jumping into new software is the learning curve and
    the time sink that is created. Lot of people don't realize the time
    sink in software products.

    My .02 cents.

    Thank you for the suggestions though.

    PS - BTW, John you are really good at searching products at discount
    sites which I never knew existed!


    Neil Jones, Dec 29, 2008
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    Matt Ion Guest

    That goes back to my original point, that the software being "popular"
    doesn't mean everyone out there will be an expert in it. Yeah, you'll
    find lots of people willing to discuss it with you... doesn't mean most
    of them have any idea what they're talking about.
    Matt Ion, Dec 29, 2008
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    Matt Ion Guest

    YOU have... some n00b who plugs "photoshop tutorial" into a YouTube
    search, though... maybe not so much.
    Matt Ion, Dec 29, 2008
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    Matt Ion Guest

    Yes, but you're probably referring them to videos that you've already
    vetted. The original point quoted above was not that people have
    problems learning from the videos, but that many of the videos they'll
    stumble across are teaching poor techniques.

    So now that person learns poor techniques, hacks together a few of his
    own, creates his own video to teach those to others... and around it goes.

    It's like someone being taught to drive by an uncle who has a stack of
    moving violations as tall as he is... yeah, he'll still learn to drive,
    but he's gonna pick up some bad habits and wrong ideas in the process.
    Matt Ion, Dec 29, 2008
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    Guest Guest

    photoshop 6 is about ten years old. nothing like being on the cutting
    Guest, Jan 29, 2009
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    The Real Bev Guest

    Just depends on what you need. For many, Picasa (from google, free and very
    easy) is overkill.
    The Real Bev, Feb 1, 2009
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    Bob Williams Guest

    If I were you, I would buy Photoshop Elements 7.
    It has practically all of the features of full PS that a novice needs.
    In fact it is made for Novices. Whereas, full PS is made for
    Professionals. The look and feel of Elements and PS is very similar.
    So if, and when, you decide to go with full PS, the transition is

    You are right that one of the advantages of PS (or Elements) is that a
    lot of Help and Tutorials are available on the internet.
    Even So, I would purchase a self help book on the subject like
    "Classroom in a Book", by the Adobe Staff. Photo Editors, especially
    powerful and versatile ones are mystifying to the novice. It helps a lot
    to learn the jargon and how to use the editing TOOLS corectly.
    A good book will get you started on the right foot.
    WARNING: Photo Editing can be addictive.
    Bob Williams
    Bob Williams, Feb 1, 2009
  11. Just like cameras :)
    Chris Malcolm, Mar 23, 2010
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    David Guest

    You might find that Photoshop Elements will do just about everything you
    want, and its about a thousand dollars cheaper.

    Suggest you start off with that, and be sure to buy the book "Photoshop
    Elements 9 for Digital Photographers

    I reckon those two will keep you busy for a year or more at least, and
    probably much much longer

    David, Jun 21, 2011
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    Pablo Guest

    David escribió:
    UFRaw + The Gimp will cost you nothing but are a tad harder to learn, I
    Pablo, Jun 21, 2011
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    tony cooper Guest

    Those of us who use Adobe Photoshop (full version), and have done so
    for years, will admit - if we are honest - that we only use half to
    two-thirds of the tools and techniques available. There are
    drop-downs we never open.

    Adobe Elements now has almost all of the tools we routinely use in the
    full version. The problem has been that there has always been a lag
    between what is offered in the full version and what is offered in
    Elements. All the new toys (think "content aware") are in the full
    version, and Elements gets them a few years later.

    However, unless you are going to use the program for professional
    reasons, I think Adobe Elements is the best choice for the
    photographer's first foray into advanced post-processing. "Advanced"
    in that the basic post work can be done in IrfanView or any number of
    free, basic programs.
    tony cooper, Jun 21, 2011
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    ray Guest

    Second the suggestion to try GIMP (and UFRAW if you're doing raw
    conversions) before you buy photoshop. You may very well find that they
    will do all you need - at least for some time. Won't cost you a penny to
    try them - won't even cost a penny if you decide to use them forever.

    plugins are additional applications to add more capabilities or make
    various processes easier to apply. At least in the case of GIMP, they
    won't cost you anything either.
    ray, Jun 21, 2011
    David Dyer-Bennet, Jun 21, 2011
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Photoshop Elements will cover you well.

    You can download and try it for free for a month.

    Ignore The GIMP. Seductive pricing for software worth the price.
    Alan Browne, Jun 21, 2011
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    The Real Bev Guest

    If you have a gmail account, you might want to try picasa. It's free,
    it does most basic things really well, and you get a 1-GB website to
    post them for each gmail account. I'd like more 'straightening'
    capability, but I'm unwilling to feed photos through gimp in order to
    get it.

    I normally upload photos from my SD card to my computer, and then copy
    all the untouched originals to a separate subdirectory. Easy peasy!

    Give it a shot, it might do everything you want.
    The Real Bev, Jun 21, 2011
  19. GIMP is fine for me, but I've never used anything else. I suspect one
    complication is that most people have experience first with Photoshop, so
    at the very least they have to deal with the unfamiliar if moving to GIMP.

    I don't find anything lacking with GIMP, but I'm hardly the type to do all
    that much with it. I oddly enough bought at a used booksale a while back
    a "Dummies Guide to Photoshop", not to learn Photoshop, but to get a
    handle on what one might do with photo manipulation, if you haven't done
    it you can't miss it. I know I found one "neat thing" and was promptly
    able to find a plugin for GIMP to do that, so I imagine there is much out
    there just waiting for people to need it.

    Michael Black, Jun 21, 2011
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    Pablo Guest

    Alan Browne escribió:
    Is that it? Or do you have something intelligent to add?
    Pablo, Jun 21, 2011
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