Ping PeterN: LR Processing Exercise

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Savageduck, Apr 29, 2014.

  1. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    This is a fresh post and not some sort of diversion on the road to
    Colonial Photo & Hobby.

    Peter, since your new coach Stephen Johnson advocates not using LR,
    plugins and cloning, I thought I would show you what could be done in
    LR5 without plugins or using any cloning or healing. This is a
    reasonably quick and somewhat careless set of tweaks, but it shows what
    can be done.

    < https://db.tt/i8JZH316 >

    ....and as you said, nothing is removed from the image when I shot it,
    and nothing was put into the image that wasn't there.

    BTW: Mr. Johnson should check his notes on Adobe products, as LR5 is so
    much more than a mere catalog/library program. Sometime you should try
    working with LR for yourself, you might be surprised. Perfect Resize
    will work with LR you know?
     
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  2. Savageduck

    PeterN Guest

    Stephen Johnson is not my new coach. Indeed I took the workshop with
    knowing that he has a different philosophy re: changing the environment.
    I lot of what he says makes eminent sense. He certainly has the
    background and experience. Steve used BarneyScan, the predecessor of
    Photoshop, and judging by his results, knows the program quite well. His
    results are there. If I ever said that LR was nothing more than a
    cataloging program, I misspoke. What I meant is that the development
    module in ACR and LR are identical.

    I agree that you get more control with PS than ACR. I have also taken
    several hours to do a print. Efficient, no. Artistic, yes.
     
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  3. Savageduck

    Guest Guest

    barneyscan licensed what ultimately became photoshop. they didn't
    create it on their own.

    claiming it's photoshop's predecessor is misleading. it *was*
    photoshop, just a really, really early version.
    he might know photoshop, but he doesn't know much about lightroom,
    based on what you've posted so far.
    you said that *he* said that.
    that part is true, but that's just one small part of what they can do.
    then you need to learn how to use camera raw to its fullest extent.
    you must not know what you're doing.
     
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  4. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    ....but what you typed there doesn't: "I lot of what he says..."???
    "BarneyScan"!!! Holy ****!! You are talking about a program developed
    over thirty years ago, and which never truly moved beyond the bare
    basics intended for digital image editing and processing. PS 1.0 was
    more capable, and to compare PS CS6/CC or LR (&even GIMP) with
    BarneyScan is silly. That he used BarneyScan in 1988 is hardly a
    credential when it comes to contemporary digital photography and
    processing.
    As I said, nice, but nothing particularly extraordinary.
    ....but you didn't say that, did you?
    Also the UI in LR is easier to work with than that in ACR. When I don't
    need the PS specific tools LR does all I need. When I need to make a PS
    specific fix, PS is there for the LR-PS-LR round trip.
    Who do you agree with?

    ACR is just a step to get your RAW file to PS where you should be doing
    the bulk of your work if you have a PS workflow and need the tools
    available in PS. However, with PS CS6/CC you have the ability to add
    the "Camera RAW" filter to those PS tools.
    So? If you are going to get to a good print, even in a wet darkroom you
    might well find the hours passing very quickly. I certainly have.
    Probably not, given what time is invested in proofing, test print,
    unacceptable results, etc. until your eye is pleased or you accept that
    what you have is the best you are going to be able to produce given any
    particular set of conditions, equipment and other limitations.
    All in the eye of the beholder.
     
    Savageduck, Apr 29, 2014
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  5. Savageduck

    PeterN Guest

    Are you saying that you can do anything in ACR that you can do in
    Photoshop CC?
     
    PeterN, Apr 29, 2014
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  6. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    Nobody has ever claimed that. However, it seems you are not using ACR
    or LR to their full potential.

    Note: there are quite a number of things that can only be done in ACR
    or LR, and can only be achieved in PS if you use the "Camera RAW"
    filter which allows returning to ACR for further adjustment in the ACR
    UI. For example "Radial Gradient".
    PS users have waited for some time for that particular feature, but if
    you don't care to use it ...
     
    Savageduck, Apr 29, 2014
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  7. Savageduck

    PeterN Guest

    Why? I am pointing out that not everybody uses the same tools.
    my only reason for mentioning Barneyscan is that the software that came
    with it was a very early incarnation of PhotoShop.

    His prints go for upwards of $1,200.
    Yup!. I like his results.
     
    PeterN, Apr 29, 2014
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  8. Savageduck

    PeterN Guest

    There are preset gradient filters in CC, you can also easily make you own.
    Here is a crude, exaggerated example.

    <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u...tom name sanibel birds & naples zoo_1802.jpg>
     
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  9. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    Try vocalizing those words. Say out loud; " I lot of what he says makes
    eminent sense." and see how sinsible that sounds.
    ....and "eminent" seems to be a poor choice of word.
    Yup! Been there done that, and it is of no current consequence, just an
    historic one.
    His skills seem to be in marketing stuff which is not extraordinary.
    You bought into his course didn't you?
    His results? In that last little piece you appeared to be talking about
    your personal workflow efficiency, ...er, inefficiency in producing a
    print, not his results.
     
    Savageduck, Apr 29, 2014
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  10. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    didn't read what I said; "Radial Grad" filter, not "Gradient" filter.
    they are quite different in execution and result.

    I have been using PS and LR for some time, and I am well aware of "Grad
    filters" how to apply them and when to use them to best effect.

    I suggest you take the time to take a look at this Julieanne Kost
    offering. I recommend upping the resolution to HD and view it in full
    screen.
    <
    http://tv.adobe.com/watch/the-compl...t/adobe-camera-raw-82-in-photoshop-cc-v141/or
    < http://tinyurl.com/kduqx8y >
     
    Savageduck, Apr 30, 2014
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  11. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    ....and this one.
    <
    http://tv.adobe.com/watch/creative-...oshop-cc-favorite-features-for-photographers/
     
    Savageduck, Apr 30, 2014
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  12. Savageduck

    PeterN Guest

    Yes, there is a lot to learn in ACR, that I don't know. However, I am
    comfortable working in ACR & PS.








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    PeterN, Apr 30, 2014
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  13. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    So am I, and I suspect we have been using PS about the same length of
    time, but that doesn't stop me from learning to use is efficiently and
    to the best of my ability. It doesn't stop me from using the other tool
    Adobe has for the digital photographer, LR5 and including that in my PS
    CS6/CC (+ACR) workflow.
    you even bothered to take a look at any of that stuff?
    Do you bother to check with some of the valuable stuff available from
     
    Savageduck, Apr 30, 2014
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