Playing with LR5

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Savageduck, Nov 14, 2013.

  1. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    I just upgraded OSX from 10.6.8 to OSX 10.9 (Mavericks), so I am now
    able to run LR5,. There are a few new features in LR5 not available in
    LR4, so I took the plunge and I have been playing with the LR "Upright"
    filter in "Lens Correction", the "Radial Grad" filter, and the new
    "Spot Correction "tool. These are all available in PS CC, but not in PS
    CS6.

    So here are some before and after shots all done quite quickly, and
    entirely in LR5 with no assistance from any plug-ins. Our Canadian pals
    should recognize Vancouver:

    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_362.jpg >
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_363.jpg >
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_364.jpg >


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    Regards,

    Savageduck
     
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:17:31 -0800, Savageduck
    <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

    >I just upgraded OSX from 10.6.8 to OSX 10.9 (Mavericks), so I am now
    >able to run LR5,. There are a few new features in LR5 not available in
    >LR4, so I took the plunge and I have been playing with the LR "Upright"
    >filter in "Lens Correction", the "Radial Grad" filter, and the new
    >"Spot Correction "tool. These are all available in PS CC, but not in PS
    >CS6.
    >
    >So here are some before and after shots all done quite quickly, and
    >entirely in LR5 with no assistance from any plug-ins. Our Canadian pals
    >should recognize Vancouver:
    >
    >< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_362.jpg >
    >< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_363.jpg >
    >< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_364.jpg >


    Is this done automatically or do you have manual control?
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    Eric Stevens
     
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  3. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-14 04:24:01 +0000, Eric Stevens <> said:

    > On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:17:31 -0800, Savageduck
    > <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
    >
    >> I just upgraded OSX from 10.6.8 to OSX 10.9 (Mavericks), so I am now
    >> able to run LR5,. There are a few new features in LR5 not available in
    >> LR4, so I took the plunge and I have been playing with the LR "Upright"
    >> filter in "Lens Correction", the "Radial Grad" filter, and the new
    >> "Spot Correction "tool. These are all available in PS CC, but not in PS
    >> CS6.
    >>
    >> So here are some before and after shots all done quite quickly, and
    >> entirely in LR5 with no assistance from any plug-ins. Our Canadian pals
    >> should recognize Vancouver:
    >>
    >> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_362.jpg >
    >> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_363.jpg >
    >> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_364.jpg >

    >
    > Is this done automatically or do you have manual control?


    All done manually using adjustment sliders with the exception of Lens
    profile, CA removal, and the "Upright" Tool, which gives manual
    options, but I chose to use "Auto" (based on Julieanne Kost advice)
    which works surprisingly well.

    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_365A.jpg >


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    Regards,

    Savageduck
     
    Savageduck, Nov 14, 2013
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  4. Savageduck

    PeterN Guest

    On 11/13/2013 11:58 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    > On 2013-11-14 04:24:01 +0000, Eric Stevens <> said:
    >
    >> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:17:31 -0800, Savageduck
    >> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>> I just upgraded OSX from 10.6.8 to OSX 10.9 (Mavericks), so I am now
    >>> able to run LR5,. There are a few new features in LR5 not available in
    >>> LR4, so I took the plunge and I have been playing with the LR "Upright"
    >>> filter in "Lens Correction", the "Radial Grad" filter, and the new
    >>> "Spot Correction "tool. These are all available in PS CC, but not in PS
    >>> CS6.
    >>>
    >>> So here are some before and after shots all done quite quickly, and
    >>> entirely in LR5 with no assistance from any plug-ins. Our Canadian pals
    >>> should recognize Vancouver:
    >>>
    >>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_362.jpg >
    >>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_363.jpg >
    >>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_364.jpg >

    >>
    >> Is this done automatically or do you have manual control?

    >
    > All done manually using adjustment sliders with the exception of Lens
    > profile, CA removal, and the "Upright" Tool, which gives manual options,
    > but I chose to use "Auto" (based on Julieanne Kost advice) which works
    > surprisingly well.
    >
    > < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_365A.jpg >
    >
    >


    Sisker would love your sky. ;-p

    I am still trying to justify whether the changes in CC are worth the
    upgrade. I know i don't have much time to take advantage of the special
    deal.

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    PeterN, Nov 14, 2013
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  5. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-14 14:28:30 +0000, PeterN <> said:

    > On 11/13/2013 11:58 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >> On 2013-11-14 04:24:01 +0000, Eric Stevens <> said:
    >>
    >>> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:17:31 -0800, Savageduck
    >>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I just upgraded OSX from 10.6.8 to OSX 10.9 (Mavericks), so I am now
    >>>> able to run LR5,. There are a few new features in LR5 not available in
    >>>> LR4, so I took the plunge and I have been playing with the LR "Upright"
    >>>> filter in "Lens Correction", the "Radial Grad" filter, and the new
    >>>> "Spot Correction "tool. These are all available in PS CC, but not in PS
    >>>> CS6.
    >>>>
    >>>> So here are some before and after shots all done quite quickly, and
    >>>> entirely in LR5 with no assistance from any plug-ins. Our Canadian pals
    >>>> should recognize Vancouver:
    >>>>
    >>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_362.jpg >
    >>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_363.jpg >
    >>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_364.jpg >
    >>>
    >>> Is this done automatically or do you have manual control?

    >>
    >> All done manually using adjustment sliders with the exception of Lens
    >> profile, CA removal, and the "Upright" Tool, which gives manual options,
    >> but I chose to use "Auto" (based on Julieanne Kost advice) which works
    >> surprisingly well.
    >>
    >> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_365A.jpg >
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Sisker would love your sky. ;-p


    The only shot I could think that remark might apply to is the third one
    above "screenshot_364". All I did with that shot after a dust spot
    clean up (it was shot with my D70) was use the new "Radial Grad" filter
    on the main structure. That protected it when I dropped the exposure on
    everything surrounding it. The result was the deeper blue sky. No CPF
    use, and no grey skies to paint "Sisker blue".

    >
    > I am still trying to justify whether the changes in CC are worth the
    > upgrade. I know i don't have much time to take advantage of the special
    > deal.


    There are a few things I think are well worth the $10/month, and I
    would pay $200 for if I was going to upgrade CS6 in my usual upgrade
    path.
    Here are a few opinions. Take a look at these full screen and up the
    resolution to 720p.:
    < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjg4RtV4UAk >
    < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03k8XqALcNg >

    --
    Regards,

    Savageduck
     
    Savageduck, Nov 14, 2013
    #5
  6. Savageduck

    PeterN Guest

    On 11/14/2013 10:19 AM, Savageduck wrote:
    > On 2013-11-14 14:28:30 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >
    >> On 11/13/2013 11:58 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>> On 2013-11-14 04:24:01 +0000, Eric Stevens <>
    >>> said:
    >>>
    >>>> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:17:31 -0800, Savageduck
    >>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> I just upgraded OSX from 10.6.8 to OSX 10.9 (Mavericks), so I am now
    >>>>> able to run LR5,. There are a few new features in LR5 not available in
    >>>>> LR4, so I took the plunge and I have been playing with the LR
    >>>>> "Upright"
    >>>>> filter in "Lens Correction", the "Radial Grad" filter, and the new
    >>>>> "Spot Correction "tool. These are all available in PS CC, but not
    >>>>> in PS
    >>>>> CS6.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> So here are some before and after shots all done quite quickly, and
    >>>>> entirely in LR5 with no assistance from any plug-ins. Our Canadian
    >>>>> pals
    >>>>> should recognize Vancouver:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_362.jpg >
    >>>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_363.jpg >
    >>>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_364.jpg >
    >>>>
    >>>> Is this done automatically or do you have manual control?
    >>>
    >>> All done manually using adjustment sliders with the exception of Lens
    >>> profile, CA removal, and the "Upright" Tool, which gives manual options,
    >>> but I chose to use "Auto" (based on Julieanne Kost advice) which works
    >>> surprisingly well.
    >>>
    >>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_365A.jpg >
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> Sisker would love your sky. ;-p

    >
    > The only shot I could think that remark might apply to is the third one
    > above "screenshot_364". All I did with that shot after a dust spot
    > clean up (it was shot with my D70) was use the new "Radial Grad" filter
    > on the main structure. That protected it when I dropped the exposure on
    > everything surrounding it. The result was the deeper blue sky. No CPF
    > use, and no grey skies to paint "Sisker blue".
    >
    >>
    >> I am still trying to justify whether the changes in CC are worth the
    >> upgrade. I know i don't have much time to take advantage of the
    >> special deal.

    >
    > There are a few things I think are well worth the $10/month, and I would
    > pay $200 for if I was going to upgrade CS6 in my usual upgrade path.
    > Here are a few opinions. Take a look at these full screen and up the
    > resolution to 720p.:
    > < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjg4RtV4UAk >
    > < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03k8XqALcNg >
    >


    Thanks, But I was aware of these. A lot of them are in CS6. e.g. they
    shoe an easy use of the spot healing tool. That is not a new feature, it
    is in CS6. The concept of artifact removal.
    As for resizing, is the new algorithm better than the algorithm in
    Perfect Resize, which has all the smae features +. I am not saying this
    to belittle, and these changes will certainly speed up my workflow, but
    that is part of my decision process.
    --
    PeterN
     
    PeterN, Nov 14, 2013
    #6
  7. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-14 16:20:29 +0000, PeterN <> said:

    > On 11/14/2013 10:19 AM, Savageduck wrote:
    >> On 2013-11-14 14:28:30 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>
    >>> On 11/13/2013 11:58 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>>> On 2013-11-14 04:24:01 +0000, Eric Stevens <>
    >>>> said:
    >>>>
    >>>>> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:17:31 -0800, Savageduck
    >>>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> I just upgraded OSX from 10.6.8 to OSX 10.9 (Mavericks), so I am now
    >>>>>> able to run LR5,. There are a few new features in LR5 not available in
    >>>>>> LR4, so I took the plunge and I have been playing with the LR
    >>>>>> "Upright"
    >>>>>> filter in "Lens Correction", the "Radial Grad" filter, and the new
    >>>>>> "Spot Correction "tool. These are all available in PS CC, but not
    >>>>>> in PS
    >>>>>> CS6.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> So here are some before and after shots all done quite quickly, and
    >>>>>> entirely in LR5 with no assistance from any plug-ins. Our Canadian
    >>>>>> pals
    >>>>>> should recognize Vancouver:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_362.jpg >
    >>>>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_363.jpg >
    >>>>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_364.jpg >
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Is this done automatically or do you have manual control?
    >>>>
    >>>> All done manually using adjustment sliders with the exception of Lens
    >>>> profile, CA removal, and the "Upright" Tool, which gives manual options,
    >>>> but I chose to use "Auto" (based on Julieanne Kost advice) which works
    >>>> surprisingly well.
    >>>>
    >>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_365A.jpg >
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Sisker would love your sky. ;-p

    >>
    >> The only shot I could think that remark might apply to is the third one
    >> above "screenshot_364". All I did with that shot after a dust spot
    >> clean up (it was shot with my D70) was use the new "Radial Grad" filter
    >> on the main structure. That protected it when I dropped the exposure on
    >> everything surrounding it. The result was the deeper blue sky. No CPF
    >> use, and no grey skies to paint "Sisker blue".
    >>
    >>>
    >>> I am still trying to justify whether the changes in CC are worth the
    >>> upgrade. I know i don't have much time to take advantage of the
    >>> special deal.

    >>
    >> There are a few things I think are well worth the $10/month, and I would
    >> pay $200 for if I was going to upgrade CS6 in my usual upgrade path.
    >> Here are a few opinions. Take a look at these full screen and up the
    >> resolution to 720p.:
    >> < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjg4RtV4UAk >
    >> < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03k8XqALcNg >
    >>

    >
    > Thanks, But I was aware of these. A lot of them are in CS6.


    None of those are in CS6 the way they are implemented in PS CC, and
    most of them don't exist in CS6 in any form. I have CS6 and in that I
    don't have the new spot healing tool in CS6 Camera RAW, I don't have
    the "Upright" filter (it isn't the same as the Lens Correction filter),
    I don't have the RAW filter in CS6(that is worth the price of admission
    alone), I don't have the Radial grad filter, I don't have the Reduce
    Shake sharpening tool.

    > e.g. they shoe an easy use of the spot healing tool. That is not a new
    > feature, it is in CS6.


    Not in CS6 ACR it isn't.

    > The concept of artifact removal.


    That is just the method used for artifact removal after applying the
    Shake Reduction filter.

    > As for resizing, is the new algorithm better than the algorithm in
    > Perfect Resize, which has all the smae features +. I am not saying this
    > to belittle, and these changes will certainly speed up my workflow, but
    > that is part of my decision process.


    The thing is those changes are there, and they make Photoshop a better
    image editing tool than it was in its earlier versions, even one as
    recent as CS6

    I have an older edition of the OnOne package and from time to time I
    use Perfect Resize, I have a feeling that with PS CC I might not need
    to use Perfect Resize in anything but extreme situations or specialize
    enlargement preparation. As far as plug-ins go I prefer the NIK
    offerings over the OnOne Suite (with the exception of Perfect Resize).


    --
    Regards,

    Savageduck
     
    Savageduck, Nov 14, 2013
    #7
  8. Savageduck

    PeterN Guest

    On 11/14/2013 11:53 AM, Savageduck wrote:
    > On 2013-11-14 16:20:29 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >

    <snip>

    >>
    >> Thanks, But I was aware of these. A lot of them are in CS6.

    >
    > None of those are in CS6 the way they are implemented in PS CC, and most
    > of them don't exist in CS6 in any form. I have CS6 and in that I don't
    > have the new spot healing tool in CS6 Camera RAW, I don't have the
    > "Upright" filter (it isn't the same as the Lens Correction filter), I
    > don't have the RAW filter in CS6(that is worth the price of admission
    > alone), I don't have the Radial grad filter, I don't have the Reduce
    > Shake sharpening tool.


    Yes there certainly is a different implementation.

    >
    >> e.g. they shoe an easy use of the spot healing tool. That is not a new
    >> feature, it is in CS6.

    >
    > Not in CS6 ACR it isn't.


    I use it all the time. It isn't in ACR, but is in CS6

    >
    >> The concept of artifact removal.

    >
    > That is just the method used for artifact removal after applying the
    > Shake Reduction filter.


    The shake reduction filter looks good.

    >
    >> As for resizing, is the new algorithm better than the algorithm in
    >> Perfect Resize, which has all the smae features +. I am not saying
    >> this to belittle, and these changes will certainly speed up my
    >> workflow, but that is part of my decision process.

    >
    > The thing is those changes are there, and they make Photoshop a better
    > image editing tool than it was in its earlier versions, even one as
    > recent as CS6


    Yes it is. Just as every new edition has contained an improvement. The
    question is value. I think, that except for the shake reduction filter,
    LR5 will cover most of the changes. Having said that, it is worth the
    gamble since the price in excess of LR5, for one year is about $20.

    >
    > I have an older edition of the OnOne package and from time to time I use
    > Perfect Resize, I have a feeling that with PS CC I might not need to use
    > Perfect Resize in anything but extreme situations or specialize
    > enlargement preparation. As far as plug-ins go I prefer the NIK
    > offerings over the OnOne Suite (with the exception of Perfect Resize).
    >
    >

    I too have a preference for NIK, but i do like and use, Perfect Resize,
    and Perfect ReMask.



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    PeterN
     
    PeterN, Nov 14, 2013
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  9. Savageduck

    Tony Cooper Guest

    On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:53:28 -0800, Savageduck
    <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

    >I have an older edition of the OnOne package and from time to time I
    >use Perfect Resize, I have a feeling that with PS CC I might not need
    >to use Perfect Resize in anything but extreme situations or specialize
    >enlargement preparation. As far as plug-ins go I prefer the NIK
    >offerings over the OnOne Suite (with the exception of Perfect Resize).


    As mentioned before, I won a copy of the OnOne program for an image I
    submitted to a camera club. I won Version 8, but that hasn't been
    released yet so the donor gave me a copy of Version 7 to use until 8
    is ready.

    My interest is in PerfectMask, and I've been working with that.
    Despite what PeterN says, I've not found it to be all that easy to
    work with. Cutting out solid colors, or backgrounds with just a few
    color variations, is easy enough but multiple-color backgrounds
    present a challenge. So far, the best use seems to be in replacing a
    blah sky.

    Version 8 Beta is available, and I've downloaded that. It has the new
    "Magic Eraser" with content-aware fill, and that *really* works if the
    selected area is in the right place. Like the PS content-aware fill,
    it can pick up strange bits if the selected area is near something
    that it thinks should be included.

    --
    Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
     
    Tony Cooper, Nov 14, 2013
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  10. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-14 16:53:28 +0000, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:

    > On 2013-11-14 16:20:29 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >
    >> On 11/14/2013 10:19 AM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>> On 2013-11-14 14:28:30 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>>
    >>>> On 11/13/2013 11:58 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>>>> On 2013-11-14 04:24:01 +0000, Eric Stevens <>
    >>>>> said:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:17:31 -0800, Savageduck
    >>>>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I just upgraded OSX from 10.6.8 to OSX 10.9 (Mavericks), so I am now
    >>>>>>> able to run LR5,. There are a few new features in LR5 not available in
    >>>>>>> LR4, so I took the plunge and I have been playing with the LR
    >>>>>>> "Upright"
    >>>>>>> filter in "Lens Correction", the "Radial Grad" filter, and the new
    >>>>>>> "Spot Correction "tool. These are all available in PS CC, but not
    >>>>>>> in PS
    >>>>>>> CS6.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> So here are some before and after shots all done quite quickly, and
    >>>>>>> entirely in LR5 with no assistance from any plug-ins. Our Canadian
    >>>>>>> pals
    >>>>>>> should recognize Vancouver:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_362.jpg >
    >>>>>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_363.jpg >
    >>>>>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_364.jpg >
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Is this done automatically or do you have manual control?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> All done manually using adjustment sliders with the exception of Lens
    >>>>> profile, CA removal, and the "Upright" Tool, which gives manual options,
    >>>>> but I chose to use "Auto" (based on Julieanne Kost advice) which works
    >>>>> surprisingly well.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_365A.jpg >
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Sisker would love your sky. ;-p
    >>>
    >>> The only shot I could think that remark might apply to is the third one
    >>> above "screenshot_364". All I did with that shot after a dust spot
    >>> clean up (it was shot with my D70) was use the new "Radial Grad" filter
    >>> on the main structure. That protected it when I dropped the exposure on
    >>> everything surrounding it. The result was the deeper blue sky. No CPF
    >>> use, and no grey skies to paint "Sisker blue".
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> I am still trying to justify whether the changes in CC are worth the
    >>>> upgrade. I know i don't have much time to take advantage of the
    >>>> special deal.
    >>>
    >>> There are a few things I think are well worth the $10/month, and I would
    >>> pay $200 for if I was going to upgrade CS6 in my usual upgrade path.
    >>> Here are a few opinions. Take a look at these full screen and up the
    >>> resolution to 720p.:
    >>> < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjg4RtV4UAk >
    >>> < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03k8XqALcNg >
    >>>

    >>
    >> Thanks, But I was aware of these. A lot of them are in CS6.

    >
    > None of those are in CS6 the way they are implemented in PS CC, and
    > most of them don't exist in CS6 in any form. I have CS6 and in that I
    > don't have the new spot healing tool in CS6 Camera RAW, I don't have
    > the "Upright" filter (it isn't the same as the Lens Correction filter),
    > I don't have the RAW filter in CS6(that is worth the price of admission
    > alone), I don't have the Radial grad filter, I don't have the Reduce
    > Shake sharpening tool.
    >
    >> e.g. they shoe an easy use of the spot healing tool. That is not a new
    >> feature, it is in CS6.

    >
    > Not in CS6 ACR it isn't.
    >
    >> The concept of artifact removal.

    >
    > That is just the method used for artifact removal after applying the
    > Shake Reduction filter.
    >
    >> As for resizing, is the new algorithm better than the algorithm in
    >> Perfect Resize, which has all the smae features +. I am not saying this
    >> to belittle, and these changes will certainly speed up my workflow, but
    >> that is part of my decision process.

    >
    > The thing is those changes are there, and they make Photoshop a better
    > image editing tool than it was in its earlier versions, even one as
    > recent as CS6
    >
    > I have an older edition of the OnOne package and from time to time I
    > use Perfect Resize, I have a feeling that with PS CC I might not need
    > to use Perfect Resize in anything but extreme situations or specialize
    > enlargement preparation. As far as plug-ins go I prefer the NIK
    > offerings over the OnOne Suite (with the exception of Perfect Resize).



    One other thing to remember is with that $10/month for PS CC you also
    get LR5 and that is also a pretty good added value for a photographer.

    BTW: Here is Kloskowski demonstrating the Radial filter on LR5.
    < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IpXeV1rGto >
    --
    Regards,

    Savageduck
     
    Savageduck, Nov 14, 2013
    #10
  11. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-14 17:23:36 +0000, PeterN <> said:

    > On 11/14/2013 11:53 AM, Savageduck wrote:
    >> On 2013-11-14 16:20:29 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>

    > <snip>
    >
    >>>
    >>> Thanks, But I was aware of these. A lot of them are in CS6.

    >>
    >> None of those are in CS6 the way they are implemented in PS CC, and most
    >> of them don't exist in CS6 in any form. I have CS6 and in that I don't
    >> have the new spot healing tool in CS6 Camera RAW, I don't have the
    >> "Upright" filter (it isn't the same as the Lens Correction filter), I
    >> don't have the RAW filter in CS6(that is worth the price of admission
    >> alone), I don't have the Radial grad filter, I don't have the Reduce
    >> Shake sharpening tool.

    >
    > Yes there certainly is a different implementation.


    Yup!

    >>> e.g. they shoe an easy use of the spot healing tool. That is not a new
    >>> feature, it is in CS6.

    >>
    >> Not in CS6 ACR it isn't.

    >
    > I use it all the time. It isn't in ACR, but is in CS6


    A version of the Spot Healing tool was in PS CS3, and ACR in
    CS4/CS5/CS6 had a spot healing tool, but it couldn't be used as a brush
    when working in ACR. Say one thing for Adobe, they do polish the apple
    and improve things. ACR alone has one of the biggest improvements over
    just the last two-three years, and that is reflected in Lightroom.

    >>> The concept of artifact removal.

    >>
    >> That is just the method used for artifact removal after applying the
    >> Shake Reduction filter.

    >
    > The shake reduction filter looks good.


    ....but it has its limitations. It works well if used for its intended
    purpose. You might be disappointed if you think it will solve OoF
    issues, it only deals with slight camera shake/movement problems.

    >>> As for resizing, is the new algorithm better than the algorithm in
    >>> Perfect Resize, which has all the smae features +. I am not saying
    >>> this to belittle, and these changes will certainly speed up my
    >>> workflow, but that is part of my decision process.

    >>
    >> The thing is those changes are there, and they make Photoshop a better
    >> image editing tool than it was in its earlier versions, even one as
    >> recent as CS6

    >
    > Yes it is. Just as every new edition has contained an improvement. The
    > question is value. I think, that except for the shake reduction filter,
    > LR5 will cover most of the changes. Having said that, it is worth the
    > gamble since the price in excess of LR5, for one year is about $20.


    There is no question that the value is there, especially with the
    inclusion of LR5.
    I have stepped up, and while I might be trying to justify my decision
    somewhat, I am having fun making these new discoveries.

    >> I have an older edition of the OnOne package and from time to time I use
    >> Perfect Resize, I have a feeling that with PS CC I might not need to use
    >> Perfect Resize in anything but extreme situations or specialize
    >> enlargement preparation. As far as plug-ins go I prefer the NIK
    >> offerings over the OnOne Suite (with the exception of Perfect Resize).
    >>
    >>

    > I too have a preference for NIK, but i do like and use, Perfect Resize,
    > and Perfect ReMask.



    --
    Regards,

    Savageduck
     
    Savageduck, Nov 14, 2013
    #11
  12. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-14 17:29:35 +0000, Tony Cooper <> said:

    > On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:53:28 -0800, Savageduck
    > <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
    >
    >> I have an older edition of the OnOne package and from time to time I
    >> use Perfect Resize, I have a feeling that with PS CC I might not need
    >> to use Perfect Resize in anything but extreme situations or specialize
    >> enlargement preparation. As far as plug-ins go I prefer the NIK
    >> offerings over the OnOne Suite (with the exception of Perfect Resize).

    >
    > As mentioned before, I won a copy of the OnOne program for an image I
    > submitted to a camera club. I won Version 8, but that hasn't been
    > released yet so the donor gave me a copy of Version 7 to use until 8
    > is ready.
    >
    > My interest is in PerfectMask, and I've been working with that.
    > Despite what PeterN says, I've not found it to be all that easy to
    > work with. Cutting out solid colors, or backgrounds with just a few
    > color variations, is easy enough but multiple-color backgrounds
    > present a challenge. So far, the best use seems to be in replacing a
    > blah sky.


    I am sure that just as you find/found stuff to use from the NIK
    Collection, you will find stuff which works for you out of the OnOne
    Suite. I just enjoy the discovery of new tools and methods to employ.
    It also gives me incentive to return to old shots which were
    processed/edited when I was a Photoshop/Lightroom ignoramus.

    I have found that for the OnOne masking to work well you cannot have
    too much ambiguity with various colors. I end up getting selections I
    don't want after spending way too much time on the piece. Ultimately I
    find myself returning to the various selection tools available in
    Photoshop and the various edge refinement methods available. Lately I
    have been playing with the selection tool and masking available in
    Photoshop Touch on my iPad and I think that works better than any other
    method I have come across. Fi only the could translate that to the full
    version of Photoshop and/or Elements.

    > Version 8 Beta is available, and I've downloaded that. It has the new
    > "Magic Eraser" with content-aware fill, and that *really* works if the
    > selected area is in the right place. Like the PS content-aware fill,
    > it can pick up strange bits if the selected area is near something
    > that it thinks should be included.


    Yup! Content aware fill, move, heal, etc. all have to be used with some
    care and planning.


    --
    Regards,

    Savageduck
     
    Savageduck, Nov 14, 2013
    #12
  13. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-14 14:28:30 +0000, PeterN <> said:

    >
    > I am still trying to justify whether the changes in CC are worth the
    > upgrade. I know i don't have much time to take advantage of the special
    > deal.


    BTW: If you decide to go ahead and since you haven't used LR before I
    recommend that you take a look at this tutorial from B&H before diving
    in head first.
    < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSwkDC3q7uk >

    --
    Regards,

    Savageduck
     
    Savageduck, Nov 14, 2013
    #13
  14. Savageduck

    Tony Cooper Guest

    On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:29:32 -0800, Savageduck
    <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

    >On 2013-11-14 17:29:35 +0000, Tony Cooper <> said:
    >
    >> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:53:28 -0800, Savageduck
    >> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>> I have an older edition of the OnOne package and from time to time I
    >>> use Perfect Resize, I have a feeling that with PS CC I might not need
    >>> to use Perfect Resize in anything but extreme situations or specialize
    >>> enlargement preparation. As far as plug-ins go I prefer the NIK
    >>> offerings over the OnOne Suite (with the exception of Perfect Resize).

    >>
    >> As mentioned before, I won a copy of the OnOne program for an image I
    >> submitted to a camera club. I won Version 8, but that hasn't been
    >> released yet so the donor gave me a copy of Version 7 to use until 8
    >> is ready.
    >>
    >> My interest is in PerfectMask, and I've been working with that.
    >> Despite what PeterN says, I've not found it to be all that easy to
    >> work with. Cutting out solid colors, or backgrounds with just a few
    >> color variations, is easy enough but multiple-color backgrounds
    >> present a challenge. So far, the best use seems to be in replacing a
    >> blah sky.

    >
    >I am sure that just as you find/found stuff to use from the NIK
    >Collection, you will find stuff which works for you out of the OnOne
    >Suite. I just enjoy the discovery of new tools and methods to employ.
    >It also gives me incentive to return to old shots which were
    >processed/edited when I was a Photoshop/Lightroom ignoramus.
    >
    >I have found that for the OnOne masking to work well you cannot have
    >too much ambiguity with various colors. I end up getting selections I
    >don't want after spending way too much time on the piece. Ultimately I
    >find myself returning to the various selection tools available in
    >Photoshop and the various edge refinement methods available. Lately I
    >have been playing with the selection tool and masking available in
    >Photoshop Touch on my iPad and I think that works better than any other
    >method I have come across. Fi only the could translate that to the full
    >version of Photoshop and/or Elements.


    One of the images I've been using for practice is of one of my
    grandsons in his football uniform. He has long, golden-brown hair.

    I found that I can do it faster and better using a CS6 layer mask
    around all but the head. Using my Wacom tablet, and with a greatly
    enlarged view, I can go around the figure with more accuracy and much,
    much faster than when I do the same thing in PerfectMask. For the
    hair, though, I go to PerfectMask and it does OK but not great. Easier
    than PS. There are just too many color variations in the hair color
    for the "Keep" and too many color variations in the background for the
    "Drop".

    Perhaps I'll improve with practice.

    --
    Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
     
    Tony Cooper, Nov 14, 2013
    #14
  15. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-14 18:37:07 +0000, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:

    > On 2013-11-14 14:28:30 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >
    >>
    >> I am still trying to justify whether the changes in CC are worth the
    >> upgrade. I know i don't have much time to take advantage of the special
    >> deal.

    >
    > BTW: If you decide to go ahead and since you haven't used LR before I
    > recommend that you take a look at this tutorial from B&H before diving
    > in head first.
    > < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSwkDC3q7uk >


    The way I look at it, I just skip two Subway sandwiches a month and I
    have my Photoshop/Lightroom habit covered, and i don't have to worry
    about justifying any further updates as the CC has that covered.

    --
    Regards,

    Savageduck
     
    Savageduck, Nov 14, 2013
    #15
  16. Savageduck

    PeterN Guest

    On 11/14/2013 2:40 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    <sni>

    >
    > The way I look at it, I just skip two Subway sandwiches a month and I
    > have my Photoshop/Lightroom habit covered, and i don't have to worry
    > about justifying any further updates as the CC has that covered.
    >


    I do not miss too many meals, although it would probably do me good if I
    skimped on a few meals a month, and cut out my ice cream.


    --
    PeterN
     
    PeterN, Nov 15, 2013
    #16
  17. Savageduck

    Tony Cooper Guest

    On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 19:19:02 -0500, PeterN
    <> wrote:

    >On 11/14/2013 2:40 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    ><sni>
    >
    >>
    >> The way I look at it, I just skip two Subway sandwiches a month and I
    >> have my Photoshop/Lightroom habit covered, and i don't have to worry
    >> about justifying any further updates as the CC has that covered.
    >>

    >
    >I do not miss too many meals, although it would probably do me good if I
    >skimped on a few meals a month, and cut out my ice cream.


    I'm an ice cream junkie, but my wife has declared that we will only
    have frozen yogurt in the house. I'm so used to it that real ice
    cream now tastes almost too rich.

    --
    Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
     
    Tony Cooper, Nov 15, 2013
    #17
  18. Savageduck

    PeterN Guest

    On 11/14/2013 1:37 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    > On 2013-11-14 14:28:30 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >
    >>
    >> I am still trying to justify whether the changes in CC are worth the
    >> upgrade. I know i don't have much time to take advantage of the
    >> special deal.

    >
    > BTW: If you decide to go ahead and since you haven't used LR before I
    > recommend that you take a look at this tutorial from B&H before diving
    > in head first.
    > < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSwkDC3q7uk >
    >


    thanks.
    I had tried LR3, but didn't like it. My photo files are all in a
    sub-directory of My lightroom\photos

    --
    PeterN
     
    PeterN, Nov 15, 2013
    #18
  19. Savageduck

    PeterN Guest

    On 11/14/2013 12:53 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    > On 2013-11-14 17:23:36 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >
    >> On 11/14/2013 11:53 AM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>> On 2013-11-14 16:20:29 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>>

    >> <snip>
    >>
    >>>>
    >>>> Thanks, But I was aware of these. A lot of them are in CS6.
    >>>
    >>> None of those are in CS6 the way they are implemented in PS CC, and most
    >>> of them don't exist in CS6 in any form. I have CS6 and in that I don't
    >>> have the new spot healing tool in CS6 Camera RAW, I don't have the
    >>> "Upright" filter (it isn't the same as the Lens Correction filter), I
    >>> don't have the RAW filter in CS6(that is worth the price of admission
    >>> alone), I don't have the Radial grad filter, I don't have the Reduce
    >>> Shake sharpening tool.

    >>
    >> Yes there certainly is a different implementation.

    >
    > Yup!
    >
    >>>> e.g. they shoe an easy use of the spot healing tool. That is not a new
    >>>> feature, it is in CS6.
    >>>
    >>> Not in CS6 ACR it isn't.

    >>
    >> I use it all the time. It isn't in ACR, but is in CS6

    >
    > A version of the Spot Healing tool was in PS CS3, and ACR in CS4/CS5/CS6
    > had a spot healing tool, but it couldn't be used as a brush when working
    > in ACR. Say one thing for Adobe, they do polish the apple and improve
    > things. ACR alone has one of the biggest improvements over just the last
    > two-three years, and that is reflected in Lightroom.
    >
    >>>> The concept of artifact removal.
    >>>
    >>> That is just the method used for artifact removal after applying the
    >>> Shake Reduction filter.

    >>
    >> The shake reduction filter looks good.

    >
    > ...but it has its limitations. It works well if used for its intended
    > purpose. You might be disappointed if you think it will solve OoF
    > issues, it only deals with slight camera shake/movement problems.
    >
    >>>> As for resizing, is the new algorithm better than the algorithm in
    >>>> Perfect Resize, which has all the smae features +. I am not saying
    >>>> this to belittle, and these changes will certainly speed up my
    >>>> workflow, but that is part of my decision process.
    >>>
    >>> The thing is those changes are there, and they make Photoshop a better
    >>> image editing tool than it was in its earlier versions, even one as
    >>> recent as CS6

    >>
    >> Yes it is. Just as every new edition has contained an improvement. The
    >> question is value. I think, that except for the shake reduction
    >> filter, LR5 will cover most of the changes. Having said that, it is
    >> worth the gamble since the price in excess of LR5, for one year is That's the important
    >> about $20.

    >
    > There is no question that the value is there, especially with the
    > inclusion of LR5.
    > I have stepped up, and while I might be trying to justify my decision
    > somewhat, I am having fun making these new discoveries.
    >


    Fun and relaxation are the reasons for my photography. If you're not
    enjoying it, you shouldn't be doing it.



    --
    PeterN
     
    PeterN, Nov 15, 2013
    #19
  20. Savageduck

    PeterN Guest

    On 11/14/2013 1:29 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    > On 2013-11-14 17:29:35 +0000, Tony Cooper <> said:
    >
    >> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:53:28 -0800, Savageduck
    >> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>> I have an older edition of the OnOne package and from time to time I
    >>> use Perfect Resize, I have a feeling that with PS CC I might not need
    >>> to use Perfect Resize in anything but extreme situations or specialize
    >>> enlargement preparation. As far as plug-ins go I prefer the NIK
    >>> offerings over the OnOne Suite (with the exception of Perfect Resize).

    >>
    >> As mentioned before, I won a copy of the OnOne program for an image I
    >> submitted to a camera club. I won Version 8, but that hasn't been
    >> released yet so the donor gave me a copy of Version 7 to use until 8
    >> is ready.
    >>
    >> My interest is in PerfectMask, and I've been working with that.
    >> Despite what PeterN says, I've not found it to be all that easy to
    >> work with. Cutting out solid colors, or backgrounds with just a few
    >> color variations, is easy enough but multiple-color backgrounds
    >> present a challenge. So far, the best use seems to be in replacing a
    >> blah sky.

    >
    > I am sure that just as you find/found stuff to use from the NIK
    > Collection, you will find stuff which works for you out of the OnOne
    > Suite. I just enjoy the discovery of new tools and methods to employ. It
    > also gives me incentive to return to old shots which were
    > processed/edited when I was a Photoshop/Lightroom ignoramus.
    >


    The other ay I was playing with some old images. I found some that I
    really liked. These images were taken with, a point and shoot; my D200;
    and my D300. Even though I like some of the images, they have to be
    processed differently than the images from the D800.


    > I have found that for the OnOne masking to work well you cannot have too
    > much ambiguity with various colors. I end up getting selections I don't
    > want after spending way too much time on the piece. Ultimately I find
    > myself returning to the various selection tools available in Photoshop
    > and the various edge refinement methods available. Lately I have been
    > playing with the selection tool and masking available in Photoshop Touch
    > on my iPad and I think that works better than any other method I have
    > come across. Fi only the could translate that to the full version of
    > Photoshop and/or Elements.
    >
    >> Version 8 Beta is available, and I've downloaded that. It has the new
    >> "Magic Eraser" with content-aware fill, and that *really* works if the
    >> selected area is in the right place. Like the PS content-aware fill,
    >> it can pick up strange bits if the selected area is near something
    >> that it thinks should be included.

    >
    > Yup! Content aware fill, move, heal, etc. all have to be used with some
    > care and planning.
    >
    >



    --
    PeterN
     
    PeterN, Nov 15, 2013
    #20
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