Playing with LR5

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Savageduck, Nov 14, 2013.

  1. Savageduck

    PeterN Guest

    On 11/16/2013 10:50 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    > On 2013-11-17 03:23:25 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >
    >> On 11/16/2013 4:58 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>> Another LR5 workout on a tough archive shot shot in my pre-HDR days,
    >>> back in 2005
    >>>
    >>> Original compared with LR adjusted.
    >>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_371.jpg >
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> Is it fair to say you like lR5?

    >
    > Yup!
    >

    Here's another old image, with no lR processing.

    <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/another%20pelican%20landing.jpg>

    And here's a somewhat newer image.

    <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/The%20Fall.jpg>

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    PeterN, Nov 17, 2013
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  2. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-17 03:37:48 +0000, Tony Cooper <> said:

    > On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 22:23:25 -0500, PeterN
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >> On 11/16/2013 4:58 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>> Another LR5 workout on a tough archive shot shot in my pre-HDR days,
    >>> back in 2005
    >>>
    >>> Original compared with LR adjusted.
    >>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_371.jpg >
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> Is it fair to say you like lR5?

    >
    > You get the feeling he's knocking at the door with a copy of the Adobe
    > Watchtower?


    Hey! I like working with it. What else can I say?

    I don't like working with GIMP. That should get Floyd going. ;-)

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    Savageduck, Nov 17, 2013
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  3. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-17 04:49:54 +0000, PeterN <> said:

    > On 11/16/2013 10:50 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >> On 2013-11-17 03:23:25 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>
    >>> On 11/16/2013 4:58 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>>> Another LR5 workout on a tough archive shot shot in my pre-HDR days,
    >>>> back in 2005
    >>>>
    >>>> Original compared with LR adjusted.
    >>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_371.jpg >
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Is it fair to say you like lR5?

    >>
    >> Yup!
    >>

    > Here's another old image, with no lR processing.
    >
    > <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/another%20pelican%20landing.jpg>


    What! No tail hook!

    >
    > And here's a somewhat newer image.
    >
    > <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/The%20Fall.jpg>


    She should be penalized for trying to seriously injure that woman's
    knee with her head.

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    Savageduck, Nov 17, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-17 04:45:37 +0000, PeterN <> said:

    > On 11/16/2013 10:37 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    >> On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 22:23:25 -0500, PeterN
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 11/16/2013 4:58 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>>> Another LR5 workout on a tough archive shot shot in my pre-HDR days,
    >>>> back in 2005
    >>>>
    >>>> Original compared with LR adjusted.
    >>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_371.jpg >
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Is it fair to say you like lR5?

    >>
    >> You get the feeling he's knocking at the door with a copy of the Adobe
    >> Watchtower?
    >>

    >
    > Betcha he's not wearing a white shirt & tie


    You would win that bet.

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    Savageduck, Nov 17, 2013
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  5. Savageduck

    PeterN Guest

    On 11/16/2013 11:57 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    > On 2013-11-17 04:49:54 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >
    >> On 11/16/2013 10:50 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>> On 2013-11-17 03:23:25 +0000, PeterN <>
    >>> said:
    >>>
    >>>> On 11/16/2013 4:58 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>>>> Another LR5 workout on a tough archive shot shot in my pre-HDR days,
    >>>>> back in 2005
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Original compared with LR adjusted.
    >>>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_371.jpg >
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Is it fair to say you like lR5?
    >>>
    >>> Yup!
    >>>

    >> Here's another old image, with no lR processing.
    >>
    >> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/another%20pelican%20landing.jpg>
    >>

    >
    > What! No tail hook!
    >
    >>
    >> And here's a somewhat newer image.
    >>
    >> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/The%20Fall.jpg>

    >
    > She should be penalized for trying to seriously injure that woman's knee
    > with her head.
    >


    <G> They were on the same team.


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    PeterN, Nov 17, 2013
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    sid Guest

    Savageduck wrote:


    >>> Is it fair to say you like lR5?

    >>
    >> You get the feeling he's knocking at the door with a copy of the Adobe
    >> Watchtower?


    Nah, he's got his foot in the door and is blabbing as quick as he can before
    the door is slammed in his face :)
    >
    > Hey! I like working with it. What else can I say?
    >
    > I don't like working with GIMP. That should get Floyd going. ;-)


    I could lecture you on the subject of how wrong you are, but I can't be
    arsed! phew.

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    sid, Nov 17, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-17 17:48:50 +0000, sid <> said:

    > Savageduck wrote:
    >
    >
    >>>> Is it fair to say you like lR5?
    >>>
    >>> You get the feeling he's knocking at the door with a copy of the Adobe
    >>> Watchtower?

    >
    > Nah, he's got his foot in the door and is blabbing as quick as he can before
    > the door is slammed in his face :)
    >>
    >> Hey! I like working with it. What else can I say?
    >>
    >> I don't like working with GIMP. That should get Floyd going. ;-)

    >
    > I could lecture you on the subject of how wrong you are, but I can't be
    > arsed! phew.
    >


    Do you always **** with followups in the headers, or do you just want
    all of us to easily ID you as an asshole?


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    Savageduck, Nov 17, 2013
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    sid Guest

    Savageduck wrote:

    > On 2013-11-17 17:48:50 +0000, sid <> said:
    >
    >> Savageduck wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>>> Is it fair to say you like lR5?
    >>>>
    >>>> You get the feeling he's knocking at the door with a copy of the Adobe
    >>>> Watchtower?

    >>
    >> Nah, he's got his foot in the door and is blabbing as quick as he can
    >> before the door is slammed in his face :)
    >>>
    >>> Hey! I like working with it. What else can I say?
    >>>
    >>> I don't like working with GIMP. That should get Floyd going. ;-)

    >>
    >> I could lecture you on the subject of how wrong you are, but I can't be
    >> arsed! phew.
    >>

    >
    > Do you always **** with followups in the headers, or do you just want
    > all of us to easily ID you as an asshole?


    **** off you pompous prick, just because you feel the need to post into
    multiple news groups persistently, for no good reason, does not mean that
    everyone else has to follow your suit.
    I've explained to you in the past that my newsreader doesn't like inane
    multi posting, and is clearly designed to automagically piss off numptys.
    Seems to work!

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    sid, Nov 17, 2013
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  9. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-17 20:30:16 +0000, sid <> said:

    > Savageduck wrote:
    >
    >> On 20


    >> Do you always **** with followups in the headers, or do you just want
    >> all of us to easily ID you as an asshole?

    >
    > **** off you pompous prick, just because you feel the need to post into
    > multiple news groups persistently, for no good reason,


    The subject and content of this thread is both appropriate and on topic
    for both of the news groups I X-Posted to, rec.photo.digital &
    alt.photography.

    > does not mean that everyone else has to follow your suit.


    However, you could just respond to one or the other without screwing up
    the thread, or you could just STFU and ignore the thread since it
    offends you, but you chose to make a wise ass remark and **** with the
    followup.

    > I've explained to you in the past that my newsreader doesn't like inane
    > multi posting, and is clearly designed to automagically piss off numptys.
    > Seems to work!


    That it does. However there was nothing inane about this on topic for
    both NGs thread. You justify your poor choice in software by
    highlighting your ability to be an asshole. At least you are consistent.
    I just find your unpredictable, confrontational attitude odd, as there
    were times you have been civil and seemed reasonable, so I will just
    keep my head down whenever you enter the room.


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    Savageduck, Nov 17, 2013
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  10. Savageduck

    sid Guest

    Savageduck wrote:

    > On 2013-11-17 20:30:16 +0000, sid <> said:
    >
    >> Savageduck wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 20

    >
    >>> Do you always **** with followups in the headers, or do you just want
    >>> all of us to easily ID you as an asshole?

    >>
    >> **** off you pompous prick, just because you feel the need to post into
    >> multiple news groups persistently, for no good reason,

    >
    > The subject and content of this thread is both appropriate and on topic
    > for both of the news groups I X-Posted to, rec.photo.digital &
    > alt.photography.


    But what's the point? The same half a dozen people are gonna respond no
    matter which group you post to aren't they?

    >> does not mean that everyone else has to follow your suit.

    >
    > However, you could just respond to one or the other without screwing up
    > the thread,


    My reply went to both the groups you specified, hardly screwing anything up,
    the follow up to header is bollocks as I didn't notice your cross post so
    didn't do as the software was advising me. Sue me.

    > or you could just STFU and ignore the thread since it
    > offends you,


    Where have I said it offends me? I replied to Tonys inference that you were
    ranting like a Jehovas witness, I assumed he was trying to be humorous.

    > but you chose to make a wise ass remark and **** with the
    > followup.


    Get a fucking sense of humour will you, you keep claiming to have a British
    slant to your humour, not very apparent here!

    >> I've explained to you in the past that my newsreader doesn't like inane
    >> multi posting, and is clearly designed to automagically piss off numptys.
    >> Seems to work!

    >
    > That it does. However there was nothing inane about this on topic for
    > both NGs thread.


    I guess in your opinion that may be true, but for anyone not over enamoured
    by the latest and greatest Adobe thing.............

    > You justify your poor choice in software by
    > highlighting your ability to be an asshole.


    Similar to you and your justification for cross postin then.

    > At least you are consistent.
    > I just find your unpredictable, confrontational attitude odd,


    You reply to me swearing and calling me an asshole and you think I'm being
    confrontational?

    > as there
    > were times you have been civil and seemed reasonable,


    I'm always civil and reasonable to those who are civil and reasonable to me

    > so I will just
    > keep my head down whenever you enter the room.


    yeah, that's one way of dealing with things.

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    sid, Nov 17, 2013
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  11. Savageduck

    Robert Coe Guest

    On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 22:44:22 +0000, sid <> wrote:
    : Savageduck wrote:
    :
    : > On 2013-11-17 20:30:16 +0000, sid <> said:
    : >
    : >> Savageduck wrote:
    : >>
    : >>> On 20
    : >
    : >>> Do you always **** with followups in the headers, or do you just want
    : >>> all of us to easily ID you as an asshole?
    : >>
    : >> **** off you pompous prick, just because you feel the need to post into
    : >> multiple news groups persistently, for no good reason,
    : >
    : > The subject and content of this thread is both appropriate and on topic
    : > for both of the news groups I X-Posted to, rec.photo.digital &
    : > alt.photography.
    :
    : But what's the point? The same half a dozen people are gonna respond no
    : matter which group you post to aren't they?

    If they see it, yes. But not all news services keep all their newsgroups
    current as reliably as they should. Posting to more than one group provides
    redundancy in such cases.

    As the Duck suggested, a decent newsreader is unfazed by cross-posted articles
    and will normally retain only one copy of each. Truthfully, most objections to
    cross-posting represent a stylistic bias on the part of the objector. An
    exception occurs when someone cross-posts to a troll-infested group or one of
    questionable relevance. But that isn't the case here.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Nov 18, 2013
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  12. Savageduck

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-18 01:00:30 +0000, Robert Coe <> said:

    > On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 22:44:22 +0000, sid <> wrote:
    > : Savageduck wrote:
    > :
    > : > On 2013-11-17 20:30:16 +0000, sid <> said:
    > : >
    > : >> Savageduck wrote:
    > : >>
    > : >>> On 20
    > : >
    > : >>> Do you always **** with followups in the headers, or do you just want
    > : >>> all of us to easily ID you as an asshole?
    > : >>
    > : >> **** off you pompous prick, just because you feel the need to post into
    > : >> multiple news groups persistently, for no good reason,
    > : >
    > : > The subject and content of this thread is both appropriate and on topic
    > : > for both of the news groups I X-Posted to, rec.photo.digital &
    > : > alt.photography.
    > :
    > : But what's the point? The same half a dozen people are gonna respond no
    > : matter which group you post to aren't they?
    >
    > If they see it, yes. But not all news services keep all their newsgroups
    > current as reliably as they should. Posting to more than one group provides
    > redundancy in such cases.
    >
    > As the Duck suggested, a decent newsreader is unfazed by cross-posted articles
    > and will normally retain only one copy of each. Truthfully, most objections to
    > cross-posting represent a stylistic bias on the part of the objector. An
    > exception occurs when someone cross-posts to a troll-infested group or one of
    > questionable relevance. But that isn't the case here.
    >
    > Bob


    Thanks Bob.

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    PeterN Guest

    On 11/17/2013 8:20 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    > On 2013-11-18 01:00:30 +0000, Robert Coe <> said:
    >
    >> On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 22:44:22 +0000, sid <> wrote:
    >> : Savageduck wrote:
    >> :
    >> : > On 2013-11-17 20:30:16 +0000, sid <> said:
    >> : >
    >> : >> Savageduck wrote:
    >> : >>
    >> : >>> On 20
    >> : >
    >> : >>> Do you always **** with followups in the headers, or do you just
    >> want
    >> : >>> all of us to easily ID you as an asshole?
    >> : >>
    >> : >> **** off you pompous prick, just because you feel the need to
    >> post into
    >> : >> multiple news groups persistently, for no good reason,
    >> : >
    >> : > The subject and content of this thread is both appropriate and on
    >> topic
    >> : > for both of the news groups I X-Posted to, rec.photo.digital &
    >> : > alt.photography.
    >> :
    >> : But what's the point? The same half a dozen people are gonna respond no
    >> : matter which group you post to aren't they?
    >>
    >> If they see it, yes. But not all news services keep all their newsgroups
    >> current as reliably as they should. Posting to more than one group
    >> provides
    >> redundancy in such cases.
    >>
    >> As the Duck suggested, a decent newsreader is unfazed by cross-posted
    >> articles
    >> and will normally retain only one copy of each. Truthfully, most
    >> objections to
    >> cross-posting represent a stylistic bias on the part of the objector. An
    >> exception occurs when someone cross-posts to a troll-infested group or
    >> one of
    >> questionable relevance. But that isn't the case here.
    >>
    >> Bob

    >
    > Thanks Bob.
    >


    Hopefully not too far OT. What newsreader would you guys suggest. I have
    been using Thunderbird, which works well, but the failure to recognize
    double posting is slightly annoying. Or, is there a setup option to
    eliminate that minor annoyance.

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    PeterN, Nov 18, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-18 01:44:20 +0000, PeterN <> said:

    > Hopefully not too far OT. What newsreader would you guys suggest. I
    > have been using Thunderbird, which works well, but the failure to
    > recognize double posting is slightly annoying. Or, is there a setup
    > option to eliminate that minor annoyance.


    There are different clients available for various OSes. TB works for a
    fair number of folks using both OSX & Windows. It is just not a
    particularly good Usenet client. I know Tony Cooper uses ForteAgent
    which has a good reputation among Windows users, and he seems to be
    happy with it.

    The Mac World has some older clients which haven't been updated for
    years, such as MT-NW it was always a go-to fully featured and flexible
    client, but with the latest version of OSX 10.9, MT-NW is broken and is
    not likely to be revived. There are personal gripes regarding the
    surviving offerings with all sorts of folks favoring one over the
    other, praising what they use and deriding all others. Some are in the
    process of being updated for OSX 10.9 compatibility.

    I use Unison, devoted users of MT-NW call it a "toy client" but it does
    all I call upon it to do for both text & binaries. Some folks like
    Sandman have gone to command line/console clients such as slrn. That
    might be one worthy of Sid.


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    sid Guest

    Robert Coe wrote:

    > On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 22:44:22 +0000, sid <> wrote:
    > : Savageduck wrote:
    > :
    > : > On 2013-11-17 20:30:16 +0000, sid <> said:
    > : >
    > : >> Savageduck wrote:
    > : >>
    > : >>> On 20
    > : >
    > : >>> Do you always **** with followups in the headers, or do you just
    > : >>> want all of us to easily ID you as an asshole?
    > : >>
    > : >> **** off you pompous prick, just because you feel the need to post
    > : >> into multiple news groups persistently, for no good reason,
    > : >
    > : > The subject and content of this thread is both appropriate and on
    > : > topic for both of the news groups I X-Posted to, rec.photo.digital &
    > : > alt.photography.
    > :
    > : But what's the point? The same half a dozen people are gonna respond no
    > : matter which group you post to aren't they?
    >
    > If they see it, yes. But not all news services keep all their newsgroups
    > current as reliably as they should.


    There are free text only news servers out there that are extremely reliable,
    that's not an excuse.

    > Posting to more than one group
    > provides redundancy in such cases.


    For a post that is aimed at half a dozen people, that is not a question of
    any sort that may require prompt attention, that is in fact just a
    declaration of having something new and shiny, that necessitates a cross
    post?

    > As the Duck suggested, a decent newsreader is unfazed by cross-posted
    > articles and will normally retain only one copy of each.


    As does the news reader that I use. See here, paying attention to the
    followup-to box and you'll see where the ducks problem lies if I don't
    notice the unnecessary cross post

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/vibh70k1gdfvf6h/snapshot2.png

    > Truthfully, most
    > objections to cross-posting represent a stylistic bias on the part of the
    > objector.


    Is that like using a different character for your quoted text than everyone
    else?

    > An exception occurs when someone cross-posts to a troll-infested
    > group or one of questionable relevance. But that isn't the case here.


    The typical troll behaviour is to cross post and not say so, the accepted
    behaviour upon cross posting is something like:

    Crossposted and FUs set

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    otter Guest

    On 11/15/2013 1:04 PM, Frank S wrote:
    >
    > "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
    > news:201311142358161905-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom...
    >> On 2013-11-15 01:15:33 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>
    >>> On 11/14/2013 1:29 PM, Savageduck wrote:

    >>
    >>
    >>>> I am sure that just as you find/found stuff to use from the NIK
    >>>> Collection, you will find stuff which works for you out of the OnOne
    >>>> Suite. I just enjoy the discovery of new tools and methods to
    >>>> employ. It
    >>>> also gives me incentive to return to old shots which were
    >>>> processed/edited when I was a Photoshop/Lightroom ignoramus.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> The other ay I was playing with some old images. I found some that I
    >>> really liked. These images were taken with, a point and shoot; my
    >>> D200; and my D300. Even though I like some of the images, they have
    >>> to be processed differently than the images from the D800.

    >>
    >> Here is one I just revisited and dealt with using LR5.
    >> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/DNC_8673-E1c.jpg >
    >>
    >> --
    >> Regards,
    >>
    >> Savageduck
    >>

    >
    > Seen this?
    >
    > http://www.creativepro.com/article/image-editing-lightroom-5-raw-or-jpeg
    >
    >
    > Frank ess
    >
    >


    Yes, RAW is definitely better.

    However, if all you have is a jpeg to start from, it is surprising (at
    least to me) how much it can be adjusted with the current set of tools,
    without becoming completely trashed.

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    otter Guest

    On 11/13/2013 8:17 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    > I just upgraded OSX from 10.6.8 to OSX 10.9 (Mavericks), so I am now
    > able to run LR5,. There are a few new features in LR5 not available in
    > LR4, so I took the plunge and I have been playing with the LR "Upright"
    > filter in "Lens Correction", the "Radial Grad" filter, and the new
    > "Spot Correction "tool. These are all available in PS CC, but not in PS
    > CS6.
    >


    I did the same upgrade some months back, and am pretty happy with it,
    although not so happy about the hacker break-in.

    I like the radial filter, and have used it from time to time. The
    upright correction is convenient, but nothing you couldn't do with the
    previous tool, just nice that the auto feature works fairly well.
    The spot correction tool is OK, but I find I can do a better job in CC
    using either the spot healing brush with content aware box ticked, or
    using the lasso & content aware fill. I find the latter usually works
    best, but the other methods are faster.

    One thing I like about CC is that ACR is available as a filter. Of
    course if you use a smart object flow, you could always pop back into
    ACR to make a readjustment, but it is nice to have the same controls in
    a filter, never-the-less.

    But I find myself these days just using LR to make some initial
    adjustments, and then popping over to CC/Nik for the real work. I've
    developed presets for LR and recipes for Color Efex which get me pretty
    close to what I want with a minimal amount of fiddling.

    Thinking pretty strongly about adding DxO 9 to the mix.


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    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-19 14:54:43 +0000, otter <> said:

    > On 11/13/2013 8:17 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >> I just upgraded OSX from 10.6.8 to OSX 10.9 (Mavericks), so I am now
    >> able to run LR5,. There are a few new features in LR5 not available in
    >> LR4, so I took the plunge and I have been playing with the LR "Upright"
    >> filter in "Lens Correction", the "Radial Grad" filter, and the new
    >> "Spot Correction "tool. These are all available in PS CC, but not in PS
    >> CS6.
    >>

    >
    > I did the same upgrade some months back, and am pretty happy with it,
    > although not so happy about the hacker break-in.
    >
    > I like the radial filter, and have used it from time to time.


    I have been playing with that both in LR5 and CC ACR and I think used
    with discretion it will turn out to be very useful.

    > The upright correction is convenient, but nothing you couldn't do with
    > the previous tool, just nice that the auto feature works fairly well.


    It is another new feature I like and found to work very well. I think
    that both in LR5 and PS CC it works better than the older "Lens
    Correction" filter. It also provides a very different fix to the
    "Adaptive Wide-Angle" filter. It is important to remember to apply the
    lens profile first.
    This was a subtle application, but it proved to me that it works in
    these two shots:
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_362.jpg >
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_363.jpg >

    > The spot correction tool is OK, but I find I can do a better job in CC
    > using either the spot healing brush with content aware box ticked, or
    > using the lasso & content aware fill. I find the latter usually works
    > best, but the other methods are faster.


    Agreed. Making those fixes in Photoshop works much better and smoother for me.
    ....but having that added ability of the correction brush added to the
    spot healer in ACR & LR5 can be handy, but not the greatest way of
    making those fixes.

    > One thing I like about CC is that ACR is available as a filter.


    ....and that feature alone makes the move to CC worthwhile. If they had
    offered it in an CS7 upgrade I would have seriously considered paying
    for it.

    > Of course if you use a smart object flow, you could always pop back
    > into ACR to make a readjustment, but it is nice to have the same
    > controls in a filter, never-the-less.


    That method was always possible, but was just not as simple and
    seamless as the new filter.

    > But I find myself these days just using LR to make some initial
    > adjustments, and then popping over to CC/Nik for the real work. I've
    > developed presets for LR and recipes for Color Efex which get me pretty
    > close to what I want with a minimal amount of fiddling.


    I am using a similar workflow philosophy and find it simple enough to
    use a variation on that theme when needed. I really enjoy working with
    the LR interface for all the initial adjustments and in many ways
    prefer it to ACR. What I like about the new integration between LR +
    CC, is the ability to use the "Camera RAW" filter on that project to
    make ACR specific tweaks.

    > Thinking pretty strongly about adding DxO 9 to the mix.


    I have thought about it, but after looking at the DxO trial I have
    decided I can live without it.

    As a final thought from somebody who had decided that CS6 was going to
    be the end of the road for Photoshop upgrades


    --
    Regards,

    Savageduck
     
    Savageduck, Nov 19, 2013
    #58
  19. Savageduck

    PeterN Guest

    On 11/19/2013 11:49 AM, Savageduck wrote:
    > On 2013-11-19 14:54:43 +0000, otter <> said:
    >
    >> On 11/13/2013 8:17 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>> I just upgraded OSX from 10.6.8 to OSX 10.9 (Mavericks), so I am now
    >>> able to run LR5,. There are a few new features in LR5 not available in
    >>> LR4, so I took the plunge and I have been playing with the LR "Upright"
    >>> filter in "Lens Correction", the "Radial Grad" filter, and the new
    >>> "Spot Correction "tool. These are all available in PS CC, but not in PS
    >>> CS6.
    >>>

    >>
    >> I did the same upgrade some months back, and am pretty happy with it,
    >> although not so happy about the hacker break-in.
    >>
    >> I like the radial filter, and have used it from time to time.

    >
    > I have been playing with that both in LR5 and CC ACR and I think used
    > with discretion it will turn out to be very useful.
    >
    >> The upright correction is convenient, but nothing you couldn't do with
    >> the previous tool, just nice that the auto feature works fairly well.

    >
    > It is another new feature I like and found to work very well. I think
    > that both in LR5 and PS CC it works better than the older "Lens
    > Correction" filter. It also provides a very different fix to the
    > "Adaptive Wide-Angle" filter. It is important to remember to apply the
    > lens profile first.
    > This was a subtle application, but it proved to me that it works in
    > these two shots:
    > < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_362.jpg >
    > < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_363.jpg >
    >
    >> The spot correction tool is OK, but I find I can do a better job in CC
    >> using either the spot healing brush with content aware box ticked, or
    >> using the lasso & content aware fill. I find the latter usually works
    >> best, but the other methods are faster.

    >
    > Agreed. Making those fixes in Photoshop works much better and smoother
    > for me.
    > ...but having that added ability of the correction brush added to the
    > spot healer in ACR & LR5 can be handy, but not the greatest way of
    > making those fixes.
    >
    >> One thing I like about CC is that ACR is available as a filter.

    >
    > ...and that feature alone makes the move to CC worthwhile. If they had
    > offered it in an CS7 upgrade I would have seriously considered paying
    > for it.
    >
    >> Of course if you use a smart object flow, you could always pop back
    >> into ACR to make a readjustment, but it is nice to have the same
    >> controls in a filter, never-the-less.

    >
    > That method was always possible, but was just not as simple and seamless
    > as the new filter.
    >
    >> But I find myself these days just using LR to make some initial
    >> adjustments, and then popping over to CC/Nik for the real work. I've
    >> developed presets for LR and recipes for Color Efex which get me
    >> pretty close to what I want with a minimal amount of fiddling.

    >
    > I am using a similar workflow philosophy and find it simple enough to
    > use a variation on that theme when needed. I really enjoy working with
    > the LR interface for all the initial adjustments and in many ways prefer
    > it to ACR. What I like about the new integration between LR + CC, is the
    > ability to use the "Camera RAW" filter on that project to make ACR
    > specific tweaks.
    >
    >> Thinking pretty strongly about adding DxO 9 to the mix.

    >
    > I have thought about it, but after looking at the DxO trial I have
    > decided I can live without it.
    >
    > As a final thought from somebody who had decided that CS6 was going to
    > be the end of the road for Photoshop upgrades
    >
    >


    DXO has an amazing noise reduction capability. However, I find that Film
    Pack4 is just as effective, and does a neat job.


    --
    PeterN
     
    PeterN, Nov 19, 2013
    #59
  20. Savageduck

    PeterN Guest

    On 11/19/2013 9:54 AM, otter wrote:

    <snip>
    >
    > But I find myself these days just using LR to make some initial
    > adjustments, and then popping over to CC/Nik for the real work. I've
    > developed presets for LR and recipes for Color Efex which get me pretty
    > close to what I want with a minimal amount of fiddling.
    >
    > Thinking pretty strongly about adding DxO 9 to the mix.
    >


    I bought DXO 8. It is a PITA to integrate into my workflow. And compared
    to Bridge, building of the previews is agonizingly slow. OTPH as I said
    earlier, it does a great job of noise reduction.


    --
    PeterN
     
    PeterN, Nov 19, 2013
    #60
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