please help choose a sony vaio laptop within budget for possible video editing

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by casioculture, Apr 12, 2005.

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    casioculture Guest

    A friend sent me this email

    "hey i'm droppin you a line since you know more about this kinda stuff
    than i do

    i'm not sure if I should get the Sony Vaio K45 or the FS550...the k45
    has a p4, and the FS550 only has a centrino...i'm just looking towards
    the future if i want to do (video) editing on it (film school) and i
    know i'm gonna need a
    decent processor...also the K45 is def cheaper...but i guess the
    battery sucks and i dont know if you can get a better one or not...i
    dunno, if you have any free time let me know what you find out"

    Also... is this the best laptop within the price range? She needs a
    "more portable desktop replacement" that she won't "be taking it
    everywhere", so she doesn't worry much about battery life, size, weight
    etc. But she's says she definitely wants a sony vaio laptop, without a
    doubt. The reason I say this is that I had a bad experience with sony
    vaio laptops, buying one in early 2001 that stopped working right after
    the warranty expired, which I replaced in early 2002 which stopped
    working in 2004, eventhough both rarely left the house, though given
    that they were the prettiest and most comfortable to use (keyboard) I
    totally understand her insistence. The reason I say this is because she
    is graduating this year with a huge debt and moving to NYC where living
    expenses will be high, so she won't have much money, and replacing or
    fixing a laptop after its warranty expires will be a very unwelcome
    cost. So, was my bad experience with sony vaios unique (from what i
    read long ago it wasn't, but i wonder if others think otherwise, or if
    reliability has improved since 2002 moderls)? also, by the sound of it,
    despite warning her, her mind seems fixed on sony, so, is an extended
    warranty worth it? is insurance a better option than an extended
    warranty?

    thanks
     
    casioculture, Apr 12, 2005
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    Notan Guest

    I'm always amazed when someone's looking to buy a product, they
    *know* that the product has problems, yet buy it, anyway.

    I've never heard anyone say anything good about Sony's support.

    They look great, perform well, but when they break (or you need
    parts), look out!

    Caveat Emptor!!!

    Notan
     
    Notan, Apr 12, 2005
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    casioculture Guest

    I forgot to mention, is the Sony Vaio K45 better than the FS550 for
    what she needs?
     
    casioculture, Apr 12, 2005
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    casioculture Guest

    I don't think she *knows* that the product has problems... like I said,
    I had bad experiences with sony, having been a sony junkie between 2000
    and 2004 (vaios, clio, cybershot, minidisc, etc etc) that in 2004 I
    knew that I would forever avoid buying anything sony, or unless I hear
    things have changed significantly. She thinks i'm "bitching" or being
    an "asshole", which I somewhat understand given how attractive sony
    products are and she's not had my experience, but worries me a little
    nonetheless because it will be a non-trivial expense for her and a
    computer is an essential item these days.
     
    casioculture, Apr 12, 2005
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    Good Man Guest

    wrote in @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
    your friend is not wise. sony is bad news for computers.

    general advice regarding products made by different companies: go to the
    company known for the particular product/industry... ie: get digital
    cameras from CAMERA companies (nikon, canon, olympus etc), not from
    sony/toshiba/panisonic/dell... same goes with computers. get a company
    that is known for making DECENT COMPUTERS, not for making good televisions
    and overpriced stereos.
     
    Good Man, Apr 12, 2005
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    David Chien Guest

    1) The laptop with the fastest CPU in it will be better for video
    editing aside from having a large HD in it to hold the video.
    Ignore/forget/don't buy celeron units - far too slow.

    2) www.fatwallet.com/forums/ -> hot deals
    FS series has been seen at $1300 or less! eg. www.microcenter.com
    sale + Microcenter.com VISA card application in store gets you $100 more
    off the sale price.
     
    David Chien, Apr 12, 2005
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    Veritech Guest

    consider a apple power book?
     
    Veritech, Apr 12, 2005
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    casioculture Guest

    Within this price range?
     
    casioculture, Apr 12, 2005
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    casioculture Guest

    OK, so ignore celeron, what about centrino? is that still a celeron
    processor?
     
    casioculture, Apr 12, 2005
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  10. Buy another brand. Notan is giving you good advice.
     
    Robert Morein, Apr 12, 2005
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    Veritech Guest

    educational discount?

    didn't catch the price range
     
    Veritech, Apr 12, 2005
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    C.J.Patten Guest

    I looked at the Sonys. They didn't come close to the price/performance of
    others. You're paying for the name and you're stuck with proprietary
    technology like "Memory Stick."

    Consider an HP Pavilion or a Dell. Their multicard readers do not only
    memory stick but dozens of other formats. (SD/MMC, SM/xD etc)

    I don't know what your budget is but I found a floor model Pavilion zd7260
    for about $1,800US.

    17" SXGA+ (1680x1050 - GREAT for video editing), nVideo GeForce FxGO5700
    64MB GPU, 3.2 GHz P4HT (Northwood, 512KB cache, 800MHz FSB), 80GB hard drive
    (upgraded to a faster one), 512MB RAM (upgraded to 1024MB) - DVD burner,
    S-video out, Firewire, 802.11g, multi-card reader etc...

    In short, it's a screamer and my primary workstation.

    One compromise you make with a full P4HT versus a Pentium 4 Mobile is
    battery life. 1 to 2 hours TOPS.

    Indirectly, this also means a hotter, noisier machine - the fans on this
    thing are huge and when you're rendering something they WHINE. (similar
    noise footprint to having a floor standing fan on "low" across the room...)

    At the time, it was the best machine I could get my hands on. Dell now makes
    some nice mobile workstations. HP has upgraded their line too.

    If I had the option of putting the mobile processer in, I probably would as
    I hear it consumes about a 5th of the power and is almost exactly as fast as
    the P4HT. (more efficient architecture, hence lower heat and comparable
    throughput)

    My 2 cents.

    C.
     
    C.J.Patten, Apr 12, 2005
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    casioculture Guest

    *sigh*

    Dear netizens, I think i just had yet another encounter with the
    infamous "chick logic".

    Some of its features in this case are...
    1) in an instance of "chick logic", tell a girl an honest, genuinely
    caring but disinterested, evidence and fact-based, tactfully but
    clearly phrased opinion and you'll be sure that she'll rush to do its
    diametrically-opposed nemesis with the utmost urgency.
    2) in an instance of "chick logic", no good deed goes unpunished.

    So, whereas so far she had told me that she may or may not buy a laptop
    and she had been thinking about it as a possibility for the future, now
    she just told me she'll buy it tonight!

    That's feature (1) of "chick logic", feature (2) is that she told me
    I'm being an "asshole" and abruptly ended our conversation on instant
    messaging.

    This reminds me of countless experiences with female friends,
    girlfriends, and an ex-wife. I have particularly observed it in girls
    who have no brothers, especially when they are the firstborn, and I
    wonder if it's an electra complex issue (female version of oedipus
    complex).

    Basically, tell a girl that someone or something is bad for her in a
    manner such as I described above, and she'll go running for it. Tell
    her that a guy is bad for her, and whereas so far she had been
    uncertain about him or not really interested, now you're certain that
    next time she sees him (tomorrow!) he'll have sex with her, and somehow
    she'll let you know that he did, at which point you, if you're like me,
    decide to shut up about it and leave her to her mistakes, because you
    by then know from past encounter with "chick logic" that if you say
    what you really think it'll compel her to unreasonably stick to him no
    matter what, and soon enough, having shut up, she'll start telling you
    how abusive he is to her, which you decide to not say a word about too,
    and soon enough, perhaps a few weeks later, she'll say she quit him and
    how bad he was to her, though her assessment that you were an "asshole"
    in warning her remains unchanged, eventhough you certainly were as
    careful and considerate in how you phrased your advice, in fact, the
    more tactful you are the more suspicious and subborn she becomes.

    I'm not being sexist, and I'm not a sexist guy, far from it. Not to get
    autobiographical, but my maternal grandparents died in WWII when she
    was 6, and I think this has affected her in that when she was my parent
    she was absent emotionally, that though she was a good domestic carer I
    don't remember a single instance of intimacy from her in my childhood,
    that I may as well say that I was considerably more mothered by my
    eldest sister than my mother, so I have always had a temptation to see
    oppose patriarchy and I were to choose a mode of governing either in a
    family or a society my first impulse would probably be a matriarchy,
    perhaps due to an underlying need for mothering. But(!), I have learned
    that that's NOT how girls work. As feminist as I may wish to be, the
    majority of girls seem to be anti-feminist on many issues, one of them
    is "chick logic", which really is something that's hard for any guy or
    for Agent Reason per se, had there been such an entity, to understand.


    I don't think it's sexist to say that there is such a thing as "chick
    logic", that not only that guys tend to be rational and girl emotional,
    but that sometimes the rational suggestion compels girls to act
    contra-rationally and with intense emotionality, and that I really
    can't imagine any guy reacting as I've described in the the examples
    above.
     
    casioculture, Apr 13, 2005
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  14. People use them, though they are not quite as fast as a Pentium 4
    The advantage of Centrino is in power consumption.
    A fast Pentium 4 for video editing will run perhaps an hour on batteries.
    But regardless of the processor, editing while running on batteries is not
    practical.
    Centrino = best general purpose choice for laptop.
    Pentium 4 = best (current) choice for video editing.
     
    Robert Morein, Apr 13, 2005
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    casioculture Guest

    Her budget is $1400, and she decided to buy a sony tonight(!) in a fit
    of "chick logic" as I've described in my other post, eventhough I told
    her that for that price she can get an IBM or Toshiba P4-based desktop
    replacement with better specs, brands which have a far better
    reputation for build quality, reliability and service (and so does
    Apple), or (again for around $1400) she can have an Athlon 64-based HP
    or Compaq with 3 years extended warranty included (I personally think
    the Athlon 64 is a better chip than the P4 as it's faster especially
    with windows 64 now having gone gold, and has that wonderful
    cool'n'quiet technology). I'm giving up on this as I'm realizing the
    more I advise her on this the more "chick logic" drives to her
    definitely buy the Sony and urgently.
     
    casioculture, Apr 13, 2005
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    Mike Kujbida Guest


    You've gotten a number of opinions, mostly negative, so here's a positive
    one.
    The folks at VASST ( www.vasst.com ) do tours and training all over the
    world and the Vaio (currently the K series) has been their laptop of choice
    for years.

    Mike
     
    Mike Kujbida, Apr 13, 2005
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    C.J.Patten Guest

    Tell her this, from me:

    "The best deals you make are the ones you're prepared to walk away from."

    Until she understands that, she'll be a ripe mark for a clever marketing
    department such as Sony's or a slick talking salesman.

    Your friend has TREMENDOUS POWER - she holds the dollars.
    In a capitalist, free market economy, dollars are the ONLY language that
    matters. Money trumps EVERYTHING.

    She can walk into BestBuy and flat out say, "I've got $1400 in my pocket.
    Lick my shoes," and if they're serious about her business, they will.
    Frankly, some might enjoy the experience.

    Dell, Gateway, HP and Toshiba all have excellent notebooks in the sub-$1400
    range that will offer more bang for the buck than Sony.

    Find a salesperson that's reasonably trustworthy, watch them like a hawk and
    make sure anything they say passes the smell test. If in doubt, call them on
    it and WALK.

    Above all else, I hope your friend won't prove that old adage "a fool and
    her money soon part."

    Good luck.

    C.
     
    C.J.Patten, Apr 13, 2005
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    Notan Guest

    Do you know, FOR A FACT, that VASST purchased their Sonys
    and didn't receive them as "gifts" from Sony?

    Notan
     
    Notan, Apr 13, 2005
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    Notan Guest

    In the face of friendship, if she's *that* set on a Sony,
    I think I'd stand back and let the chips fall where they
    may.

    And afterwards, don't say, "I told you so." <g>

    Good Luck!

    Notan
     
    Notan, Apr 13, 2005
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    C.J.Patten Guest

    Hey man, like I said, tell her *I* said it - heck, print out my email and
    hand it to her.

    My friends may not like to hear "the bad news" when I break it to them but
    they thank me later for not keeping my mouth shut.
     
    C.J.Patten, Apr 13, 2005
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