"Pocket" camera

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Max, Jun 30, 2012.

  1. Max

    Max Guest

    For those occasions when my DSLR is too much "baggage" I have been
    considering the purchase of a Canon SX260.
    I'm wondering if there are other, competitive cameras I should consider.
    Size is a prime requisite.
    Suggestions please.
    Thanks,

    Max
     
    Max, Jun 30, 2012
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  2. Max

    Savageduck Guest

    If you are looking for image quality in a compact, go no further than
    the Canon S100. It is available for $368-$390. It also gives you the
    option to shoot RAW.
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    http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/digital_cameras/powershot_s100/
     
    Savageduck, Jun 30, 2012
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  3. Per Max:
    One thing I'd think about is frequency of use vs battery type.

    For me, the brass ring was a camera with rechargeable battery but
    which would take alkalines.

    Couldn't find that, so I went for cameras that took alkalines.

    Reason: it was 3 cameras for three technophobic family members
    who would be using them infrequently. Based on their cell phone
    history, the expected pattern with rechargeable cameras would be
    for them to leave the camera in a drawer or someplace where the
    battery would slowly discharge to zero and then be all bent out
    of shape when they grabbed it take a pic and it "didn't work".

    With alkalines, of course, there's a PITA factor.... and the cams
    I got eat them faster than I expected.... but they hold their
    charge in storage and having a couple spare batteries covers
    everybody.

    "You pays your money and you takes your choice...."
     
    (PeteCresswell), Jun 30, 2012
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  4. Max

    Alan Browne Guest

    A recent review by David Pogue caught my eye:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/28/t...ographers-can-love-state-of-the-art.html?_r=1

    20 Mpix seems like overkill to me, but the sensor is relatively large
    for the camera size (1") which of course has its benefits for light
    gathering and lower noise.

    Yes, it's more expensive than the Canon you cite, but it does have a
    stabilized lens.

    It's zoom range is a lot less (3.6 v. 20 for the Canon) however - but
    that's just a sign that it's a more serious camera that will deliver
    sharp images. 20x zooms can only be soft.
     
    Alan Browne, Jun 30, 2012
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  5. Max

    Max Guest

    Max, Jun 30, 2012
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  6. Max

    Max Guest

    Good points.
    I have found that using the "advanced lithium" batteries can make a big
    difference.
    Additionally, my wife is the only other person who would use the camera.
    And then, only when requested. ;-)
    In the case of a proprietary battery I would order a spare.

    Thanks.
     
    Max, Jun 30, 2012
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  7. Max

    Max Guest

    Wow! Impressive! Tempting! Expensive! ;-)
    I'm afraid the short zoom rules it out though.
    I frequently encounter situations while traveling in an RV where I want
    to "grab" a shot of a "bear in the woods" or a bird in a tree or a
    cyclist on a hill and I've become accustomed to the range of a Canon
    SX110. (which I'm replacing)
    In those cases where I have the time to "set-up" I use my Canon 60D.

    Many thanks for introducing that Sony to me. It just might be in my future.
     
    Max, Jun 30, 2012
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    Irwell Guest

    My carry all the time pocket job is a Ricoh CX3, feature
    rich and takes decent shots.
    Here is a comparison side-by-side with the Canon Sx260,
    Canon S100 and the Ricoh Cx3.
    I would favour for the Canon S100 at this stage of the game,
    just for the size and the zoom alone.
     
    Irwell, Jun 30, 2012
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  9. Max

    Max Guest

    Thanks.
     
    Max, Jun 30, 2012
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  10. Max

    Mort Guest

    Hi,

    Go with the Canon S 100. Among other things, it gives beautiful color
    rendition, especially skin tones. I routinely get sharp 8 x 10" prints,
    even from cropped images. The flash range is limited, as are all the
    small cameras. However, I have gotten nice prints at ISO 800 with very
    little noise. Regarding "only" 200 shots per battery charge, I carry a
    spare charged battery in my pocket. Remember, the camera that you have
    with you at that moment is the best camera.

    The only downside that I found is that the automatic ISO works poorly,
    usually choosing 250 or 500 even outdoors. I therefore shoot on P=
    program, and adjust the ISO manually.

    The f:2 at the wide end is very helpful in poor light situations,
    especially where flash is not allowed, e.g. at houses of worship and
    concert halls.

    Good luck.

    Mort Linder
     
    Mort, Jun 30, 2012
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  11. Max

    Max Guest

    Ah! Another vote for the S100.
    Thank you.
     
    Max, Jun 30, 2012
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  12. Max

    Robert Coe Guest

    : Per Max:
    : >I'm wondering if there are other, competitive cameras I should consider.
    : >Size is a prime requisite.
    : >Suggestions please.
    :
    : One thing I'd think about is frequency of use vs battery type.
    :
    : For me, the brass ring was a camera with rechargeable battery but
    : which would take alkalines.
    :
    : Couldn't find that, so I went for cameras that took alkalines.
    :
    : Reason: it was 3 cameras for three technophobic family members
    : who would be using them infrequently. Based on their cell phone
    : history, the expected pattern with rechargeable cameras would be
    : for them to leave the camera in a drawer or someplace where the
    : battery would slowly discharge to zero and then be all bent out
    : of shape when they grabbed it take a pic and it "didn't work".
    :
    : With alkalines, of course, there's a PITA factor.... and the cams
    : I got eat them faster than I expected.... but they hold their
    : charge in storage and having a couple spare batteries covers
    : everybody.
    :
    : "You pays your money and you takes your choice...."

    If the alkalines are AAs (as I think most non-proprietary camera batteries
    are), can't you live in both worlds? Is there any camera around these days
    that takes alkaline AAs but not rechargeable AAs? (Same question if the camera
    takes AAAs instead.)

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jul 1, 2012
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  13. Max

    Robert Coe Guest

    On 2012-06-29 22:45 , Max wrote:
    : > For those occasions when my DSLR is too much "baggage" I have been
    : > considering the purchase of a Canon SX260.
    : > I'm wondering if there are other, competitive cameras I should consider.
    : > Size is a prime requisite.
    :
    : A recent review by David Pogue caught my eye:
    : http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/28/t...ographers-can-love-state-of-the-art.html?_r=1
    :
    : 20 Mpix seems like overkill to me, but the sensor is relatively large
    : for the camera size (1") which of course has its benefits for light
    : gathering and lower noise.
    :
    : Yes, it's more expensive than the Canon you cite, but it does have a
    : stabilized lens.
    :
    : It's zoom range is a lot less (3.6 v. 20 for the Canon) however - but
    : that's just a sign that it's a more serious camera that will deliver
    : sharp images. 20x zooms can only be soft.

    Yes, but ...

    Pictures taken with a fixed-lens camera with a short zoom range are apt to be
    cropped more severely than pictures taken with an equivalent camera with a
    longer zoom range. And for a given print size, cropping lowers image quality.
    The more severe the crop, the greater the impact.

    (Yes, you knew that; the OP knew that; we all knew that. But it's easy to
    overlook when making comparisons like the ones at issue here.)

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jul 1, 2012
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  14. Max

    Robert Coe Guest

    : Go with the Canon S 100. Among other things, it gives beautiful color
    : rendition, especially skin tones. I routinely get sharp 8 x 10" prints,
    : even from cropped images. The flash range is limited, as are all the
    : small cameras.

    But some small cameras let you use external flash. IIRC, the S100 doesn't.

    : However, I have gotten nice prints at ISO 800 with very little noise.
    : Regarding "only" 200 shots per battery charge, I carry a spare charged
    : battery in my pocket. Remember, the camera that you have with you at
    : that moment is the best camera.
    :
    : The only downside that I found is that the automatic ISO works poorly,
    : usually choosing 250 or 500 even outdoors. I therefore shoot on P=
    : program, and adjust the ISO manually.

    Auto ISO works poorly on any Canon. There's a firmware upgrade for the 7D
    coming next month that they claim will make its Auto ISO work better. But I
    suspect that the improvement will be marginal.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jul 1, 2012
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  15. It all comes down to personal preference.
    I like my Panasonic ZS-8. It does not have
    a pop up flash to snag on wires or get broken off
    when used in close quarters and confined spaces.
    However, clumps of carbon nanotubes and possibly
    bucky balls have gotten inside the lenses and
    I will have to take it somewhere to get it cleaned out.
     
    Paul in Houston TX, Jul 1, 2012
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  16. Max

    Max Guest

    That's what I was thinking.
    I won't be taking archival quality with the pocket camera; it's just for
    those "Damn, where's my camera" situations.
    I can't *always* have the DSLR with me. ;-)
    In many cases I have taken photos with a pocket camera and, when I had a
    chance, gone back with a better camera.

    Max
     
    Max, Jul 1, 2012
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  17. Max

    Max Guest

    Interesting. I think I would prefer the ZS20 though.
    Thanks for the tip.

    Max
     
    Max, Jul 1, 2012
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  18. I think a general rule for those high zoom cameras
    is that the lenses are not sealed and dirt and
    water _will_ get in.

    The ZS-20 looks like a good camera.
    It came out after I got mine.
    I looked at the ZS-10 and decided on the ZS-8.
    A touch screen would only last me a few months and
    anything that could possibly record location cannot
    be turned on (including iphones).
     
    Paul in Houston TX, Jul 1, 2012
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  19. Don't tell the 100x HD-TV zooms.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jul 1, 2012
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  20. Per Savageduck:
    I got three of the S110's and am totally satisfied with them.

    If size is critical, maybe they're a little large.... but, for
    me, the macro feature, zoom, and built-in image stabilization go
    a long way towards justifying the size.
     
    (PeteCresswell), Jul 1, 2012
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