Pop Photo HAMMERS Panasonic FZ30 over noise

Discussion in 'Panasonic Lumix' started by Rich, Dec 17, 2005.

  1. Rich

    John Bean Guest

    1.3" - keystroke error - 1/3" intended of course :-(
     
    John Bean, Dec 19, 2005
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  2. Rich

    Rich Guest

    Who said it did? According to them, at 80 ISO it's fine. But in
    their opinion, you are stuck at that speed if you want any acceptable
    pictures. Other opinions on it are going to be different.
    The more realistic person would say, the lack of high ISO/low noise
    capability prevents it from taking pictures of a certain quality in
    certain situations that other cameras can take.
    -Rich
     
    Rich, Dec 20, 2005
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    SMS Guest

    Most people value a lab based review because it goes into much more
    depth in terms of product evaluation than an individual could ever do at
    a camera store. A trustworthy reviewer, doing a good review, is crucial
    in the product selection process.
     
    SMS, Dec 20, 2005
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  4. Well, your use of the word "hammers" in all block capitals and the mention
    of "unacceptable" at lower ISO settings as well did rather suggest that
    the camera was completely useless.

    As you well know, there are two broad classes of popular digital cameras -
    small sensor and large sensor ones. Only the large sensor ones can
    provide the combination of high ISO and low noise.

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Dec 20, 2005
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    HornBlower Guest

    But then on the other hand, only an idiot listens to one of the "lab based
    reviews". Why? Because 99% of the people will never notice and those that do
    just like to complain. I think reviews that test something in the real world
    like the rest of use will is more useful. Nit picking with a microscope is
    just stupid. Just like computer benchmark testing. It is a waste of time
    because 99% of people that by the computer will never see that kind of
    speed. There are just too many variables that mess it up.

    R
     
    HornBlower, Dec 20, 2005
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    Rich Guest

    Very true. But some do better than others. Eg. Fuji compared to
    Panasonic. Both use small sensors, but one's sensors are superior
    in supressing noise.
    -Rich
     
    Rich, Dec 21, 2005
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  7. Yes, there are differences, and it's worth knowing about these
    differences. Indeed, Fuji and Panasonic seems to be at opposite ends of
    the scale in the noise level in images at a certain ISO speed, but I am
    not convinced that this is all because of Fuji's sensor - the images look
    softer to me so I suspect the Fuji also has a more aggressive noise
    reduction.

    Even with this difference, it may take only a one stop improvement in the
    lens (say the f/2.8 of the Panasonic FZ20 compared to the f/4.0 or less of
    some other cameras) to recover that noise difference. More and more I
    come to the conclusion that light-level testing, as well as ISO-based
    testing, has a place in the reviewer's checklist.

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Dec 21, 2005
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