Postscript on laser digital print centre

Discussion in 'Photoshop' started by ..., Oct 27, 2004.

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    ... Guest

    The only thing I know about Postscript and printing is that the files
    are huge text files and every print shop I've been to, uses it.

    So... I have a little A4 (2300) Minolta printer which does not use
    Postscript. It prints quickly enough and the output is photographic
    quality. It suffers from an ever so slight colour cast to blue which I
    compensate for, before committing to print and it doesn't do full bleed

    I just bought a Magicolor 7300 (SRA3) printer which runs Postscript. The
    first few prints have surprisingly correct colour and image placement
    but... The 248 Meg file took 13 minutes before it printed. The time to
    print only gets worse from here on because that file was an A4 document.
    When I place 2 of them on a page with full bleed and crop marks...
    Nearly half an hour to print the first page and this 21 "full colour"
    pages per minute printer starts churning out 4 pages per minute! Will
    someone wake me when the 3000 brochures actually get finished! Then
    maybe I can do the 10,000 business cards and 750 Postcards for the rest
    of the job!!!

    Can anyone with some Postscript knowledge tell me if these long delays
    in getting data into a printer are commonplace? I'd also like someone to
    comment on the advertised print speed of 21 pages per minute (A4 speed,
    I'm told now) as opposed to the actual print speed of 4 pages per
    minute. Does anyone else use a colour laser in a digital print shop?

    It may well be going back to Minolta before the end of the week if they
    can't make it perform. It's on Ethernet, by the way. Photoshop output to
    this printer is IMHO better than most inkjet printers. My only issue is
    the God awful speed of the thing!

    ..., Oct 27, 2004
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    Waldo Guest

    For small format yes, for wide format HPGL is much used.
    PostScript in general is slower than for example PCL.
    What kind of network speed do you have? If you're trying to put 248 MB
    over 10 Mbps, I can imagine that it takes ages...

    If it is the printer processing time, it has a deadslow RIP.

    21 pages per minute? Are you sure that is not the black/white speed? Is
    it a single-pass machine or a multi-pass???

    As you discovered, PostScript can be huge. If you have a PostScript 3
    RIP, you may be able to send the data as PDF. Using compression in PDF
    will reduce the print stream. If not, you can reduce the stream a bit by
    using binary postscript instead of ascii (you can set that in the driver).

    In case nothing works: try to figure out if it accepts PCL en use a PCL

    Waldo, Oct 27, 2004
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    RSD99 Guest

    3000 brochures, 10,000 business cards, 750 Postcards ...


    ? ? ? ? ?

    Excuse me ... but you're out of your friggin' mind.

    Get to know someone with a real "four color printing press" ...

    (1) It will be a *lot* cheaper ...

    (2) It will be a *lot* faster ...

    (3) It will be a *lot* less hassle ...

    (4) You will actually survive the ordeal ...
    RSD99, Oct 27, 2004
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    Stephan Guest

    Just the thought of having 10,000 business cards to cut by hand...

    Stephan, Oct 27, 2004
  5. Who is cutting them by hand? I'm the OP on a different PC.

    I actually have a Guillotine and a 2 colour press. My print shop runs
    quite nicely thank you very much, has done for the past 25 years. I just
    didn't have Full bleed, A3 photographic reproduction capabilities until
    now. I've been printing postcards and calendars on A4 digital (laser)
    printers for the last year so don't try to feed me that bullshit about 4
    colour being cost effective. I'd have gone into receivership months ago
    if I'd have listened to the likes of you.

    You don't even have an edge on finish quality any more. The only thread
    you still have to cling to is the hope of getting long print runs.
    Eventually... All you inkies will die off the way engravers did. That
    gives me comfort knowing I won't have to listen to a load of crap much

    My situation now is trying to decide if I've been lied to about this
    Minolta's capabilities and whether or not to send it back and get the
    Xerox digital Print Press I also had under consideration. Your bullshit
    is unwanted, outright wrong and totally biased. Oh, I forgot to
    mention... Nothing at all to do with the original question.

    Thanks Waldo for your reply, I'll look into it today.

    call me any name, Oct 27, 2004
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    Stephan Guest

    this NG

    Stephan, Oct 28, 2004
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    ... Guest

    Yeah, not so surprising that a dickhead like you just stuck his nose in
    to take a sniff... Too much sniffing maybe?

    Waldo's reply answered the questions about time to print. 999 prints
    later and it's cruising... Duplexing and making the setup of an offset
    press and the clean up after, look like something from the ark.
    Get a life Stephan...

    ..., Oct 28, 2004
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    Mike Russell Guest


    Please hang around the group for a while and get to know who the players are
    before you start responding too sharply to individual comments. You would
    do this for any other group of people, wouldn't you? A news group is no

    IMHO, Stephan has earned his place here by making many positive
    Mike Russell, Oct 28, 2004
  9. Yes, Mike.
    Like "out of your friggin mind" is a really positive contribution?
    Or maybe jumping to the conclusion I'm likely to be printing business
    cards and cutting them by hand?

    Another really positive contribution by a really positive bigot with not
    the slightest interest in offering an ounce of information about a
    subject someone making such "positive contributions" ought to at least
    have a clue on...

    Yes Mike, he certainly has earned his place here... Right up there with
    the doormouse, Hecate (the pretend one) and all the other "positive
    contributors" who get their rocks off posting insulting remarks anyone
    asks a question. Like we all have to be so far up our own arseholes that
    we never have to bother asking questions or reading manuals... Right?
    Don't defend the bastard Mike, lest you get considered no better.

    call me any name, Oct 28, 2004
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    Stephan Guest

    Read properly please "out of your friggin mind " wasn't from me
    Anyway, if this is too harsh for you maybe you shouldn't be using NGs

    Stephan, Oct 28, 2004
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    Stephan Guest

    Thank you, Meister

    Stephan, Oct 28, 2004
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    Stephan Guest

    Doug, maybe you should take a minute of your very busy printer's day and
    do an advanced Google search (if you know how) to compare Hecate's and
    the rodent's contributions to this NG.
    You will quickly find out Hecate is helping a lot, the rodent is not at all.

    Stephan, Oct 28, 2004
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    Mike Russell Guest

    I take that as a "no", then?
    Mike Russell, Oct 28, 2004
  14. Mike Russell wrote:

    The real problem you have Mike is the Elitist attitude you have. No one
    earns a place in usnet. It's a free for all method of posting news.
    Somehow it also got to be a question and answer forum too. In recent
    times it's become a nasty place frequented by people with elitist
    attituded trying to somehow 'belong' to a particular group, posting
    messages for their own entertainment at the expense of people genuinly
    asking for help.

    Stephen may well have contributed information in the past. His
    interjection to the thread could hardly be called information, laughing
    at someone who asked for help because a total jerk posted a load of
    insults for his own entertainment just makes him an idiot.

    A vulture, waiting to get in the action someone else gets going. Not a
    very nice practice, is it? Hecate might be an accomplished Photographer
    and an experienced Photoshop user but try and get a sensible comment
    from her and 80% of the time it's as bad as the doormouse's.

    You seem all too willing to go into bat for people behaving poorly. It
    doesn't do your reputation much good to be seen as one of them.
    call me any name, Oct 29, 2004
  15. That was all good advise Waldo.
    The printer will not accept binary data, even though it is supposed to
    be a PS 3 printer. I did however manage to improve the time to print
    print speed by connecting the PC via USB instead of Ethernet. I also
    spooled the whole job on the printer's hard drive and although the time
    to print first page is unchanged, the remainder of work proceeded
    quickly enough. No one at Minolta has yet suggested I can drive it with
    PCL and I can find nothing about it in the manuals.

    The 21 pages per minute in 'full colour' is a qualified claim from
    Minolta. It refers to A4 in the first place so A3 and SRA3 are quite a
    lot slower. Full colour is qualified as being 8% of the page.

    The good news is the quality of colour photographs on Xerox ultra gloss
    paper are every bit as good as from the mini lab's printer. Quite
    remarkable really when you consider the life of inkjet output is
    dependent on many variables. The life of output from this printer is
    only dependent on exposure to sunlight as are photographs.

    Thanks for the advise Waldo.

    call me any name, Oct 29, 2004
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    Mike Russell Guest

    Use your name, and you may indeed earn a place here.

    Otherwise, you are not much more than a gadfly, with nothing at stake, and
    nothing to gain or lose except some meaningless steam.
    Mike Russell, Oct 29, 2004
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    RSD99 Guest

    Amen to that ...

    Meaningless Steam it is!
    RSD99, Oct 30, 2004
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    Hecate Guest

    And you've been around here so long you have managed to tabulate all
    my answers and get a percentage of usefulness according to your
    principles. Don't you have better things to do?
    Hecate, Oct 30, 2004
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    ... Guest

    You still haven't said why you are the real one. How do I know if the
    compilation of statistics is wrong because the pretend one posted all
    the good advise and the real one all the insults? Maybe it's the other
    way around. Maybe the pretend one is the monochrome photographer and the
    real one uses a digicam?

    Not simple eh?
    ..., Oct 30, 2004
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    Hecate Guest

    It's only not simple for the simple.
    Hecate, Oct 31, 2004
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