Premiere Elements 4.0 - how often should it crash?

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Peter, Feb 23, 2008.

  1. Peter

    Peter Guest

    Just got this, and it crashed within half an hour, losing all edits.

    At least Pinnacle would save the project regularly - need to
    investigate whether this is an option.

    It came up with the usual Send/Don't send a report to M$.
     
    Peter, Feb 23, 2008
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  2. Peter

    Arny Krueger Guest

    I edit for days with APE4, no crashes.

    Funny, when I started out with APE2, it would crash a lot. As I learned the
    product, I learned how to work it, and as I got smoother with it, the
    crashes went away.
    Autosave is an option of APE4. I think it is the default. There's an
    autosave folder in the project folder.
     
    Arny Krueger, Feb 23, 2008
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  3. Peter

    Peter Guest

    Found it - it was set to 20mins default.

    It's a good program. Very intuitive.

    We are finding just a few bugs, like credits and other titles which
    sometimes cannot be edited and have to be deleted and done again.
     
    Peter, Feb 23, 2008
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  4. I save every minute or two (and every few hours I do a "save as"
    with a different name to a different drive, then close that and reopen
    the original). Soon one gets used to letting the program "do its thing"
    before doing much more with it (or pushing it). On my computer, I
    can hear the changes in the CPU heat sink fan speed and use that
    as a guide - which seems to work well.
    I just put up comments on PE-4 and several other programs in my
    HV20 review - see below. I liked PE-4 quite a bit, but it is not
    without a few drawbacks. Darn! If only it had "smart rendering"!
    I really like its interface and how it operates.
    I haven't seen this yet - usually various clickings will get back the title
    controls, and you can then change anything. BTW, not all the title
    menu items and controls are in one place...
     
    David Ruether, Feb 23, 2008
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  5. Peter

    Peter Guest

    An interesting way to interact with a computer :)
    Me too. Very usable and powerful.
    It reminds me of Xerox Ventura 1.1 - lots of weird modes to remember.
    Sometimes, titles have to be deleted and replaced because they cannot
    be edited.

    Also it isn't obvious why some see-through titles (where the movie is
    visible through a hole in a graphic) are totally opaque while at other
    times the same effect works fine.

    Do Adobe issue online updates and bug fixes?
     
    Peter, Feb 24, 2008
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  6. Peter

    Arny Krueger Guest

    Seems like a lot of work!
    Seems like a lot of work!
    I think that is part of the sitatuion. APE will queue up work as you click
    in commands. It will try to multitask as many of them as it can. If you push
    it too hard, you may run into some memory limitaions on your machine.
    If running hot adversly affects your computer's reliabilty, then something
    needs to be done to make it run cooler, etc.
    Probably the biggest drawback is that it does not edit MPEG files directly.

    For much of the work I do, I don't think that would help very much. I often
    end up making changes to a large percentage of the frames in the files I
    work on.
    They changed quite a few things for PE4 and they add click to things I do
    all the time.

    Example?
     
    Arny Krueger, Feb 24, 2008
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  7. Just hit "Ctrl-S" - kinda easy! Sure can save a lot of work if there
    is a crash...!!!
    Not really. "Save as", name the drive, select the previously used
    name, and "Save" - doing this once a day is not exactly hard, and on
    a complex edit, it can save a LOT of work if you mess up the main
    edit and want to go back a few hours to a day in the project.
    Yes. I did get an "Out of Memory" notice once (with 2 gigs of RAM
    and plenty of drive space), after which I could do nothing but save,
    close, and reopen the project. Better than a crash, though.
    The above happens when scrubbing (I ignore it) or reconstructing all
    the timeline frame images (I wait until it finishes). I used to run 5 large
    fans in my case, but have about half that now - but I may do some
    more fanning soon.
    [at www.donferrario.com/ruether/canon_hv20.htm]
    Then it would not always help - but it would help me when I shoot very
    detailed nature material in motion, where the extra MPEG-2 compression
    layer can hurt. I may use as a solution to this (and I will use it to save
    my PE-4 edit in Vegas Pro 8 which does use "smart rendering" and
    doesn't mess up footage, unlike I've had happen with Ulead) of putting
    a PE-4 timeline edit file into another program along with the relatively
    small amount of raw footage that was seriously degraded by PE-4's
    recompression, and cut the latter into the former where needed - or
    just edit the whole works in Sony Vegas Pro 8 in the future...
    I enjoyed again its generally straight-forwardness and "help-the-editor"
    interface last night. Wish it had "smart rendering", too - I would have
    stopped with PE-4 for what I do, if it had that...
    I haven't found bugs yet, but some aspects of titling apparently
    were mysterious to "Peter", as they were to me at first...
     
    David Ruether, Feb 24, 2008
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  8. [To avoid Premiere Elements crashes.]
    I just checked the core temperatures when running Premiere and doing
    things that cause the fan speed to increase. The two core temperatures
    stayed under about 40 degrees C., not much above idle. I suspect that
    what I'm hearing is the video card fan speeding up.
    --DR
     
    David Ruether, Feb 24, 2008
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  9. Peter

    Peter Guest

    Very hard to explain...

    In a way, the text appears like text in Photoshop after the page has
    been flattened i.e. the text has become a graphic and can no longer be
    edited as text.

    It is quite possible there is a subtle context issue, but just
    deleting the whole rolling credits block and replacing it again seems
    to fix it.

    It's not a big deal.
     
    Peter, Feb 24, 2008
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  10. Peter

    Arny Krueger Guest

    There appear to be many times where XP will act like it is out of some kind
    of memory, but no error messages come out, and the relevant indicators in
    Perfmon look OK. My favorite way to do this is to open up too many copies
    of IE7 with too many open tabs in each. I strongly suspect that similar
    emory sitautions can happen with PE, and no error messages are presented,
    either.
     
    Arny Krueger, Feb 25, 2008
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