Preventing attempted Camera theft

Discussion in 'UK Photography' started by john woods, Aug 13, 2012.

  1. john woods

    john woods Guest

    Young relative keen on photography, is experimenting photographing plant
    life in a public open space at night with a powerful spot lamp.

    He would be out there in a public space and with an expensive camera.

    Would he be commiting any offence obtaining an expandable baton (such as the
    police have) and taking it with him, just in case some low life's are
    attempting to take his camera?
     
    john woods, Aug 13, 2012
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    Darkside Guest

    Wrong group: try uk.legal
     
    Darkside, Aug 13, 2012
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    jacobrichter Guest

    A baton would be an offensive weapon and so illegal. It'd perhaps be better to take a friend who has a mobile phone.

    Do a search for offensive weapons and self-defence for more on this.
     
    jacobrichter, Aug 13, 2012
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    Peter Parry Guest

    It is illegal to sell any straight side handled or friction lock
    Truncheons / Batons (Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons)
    Amendment Order 2004). The same order classifies them as offensive
    weapons

    Section 1 of the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 prohibits the possession
    in any public place of an offensive weapon without lawful authority or
    excuse so if found carrying one your relative would be prosecuted.
    Carrying it for self defence against a possible threat is not a lawful
    excuse.
     
    Peter Parry, Aug 13, 2012
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    Tired Guest

    john woods wrote:
    :: Young relative keen on photography, is experimenting photographing
    :: plant life in a public open space at night with a powerful spot lamp.
    ::
    :: He would be out there in a public space and with an expensive camera.
    ::
    :: Would he be commiting any offence obtaining an expandable baton
    :: (such as the police have) and taking it with him, just in case some
    :: low life's are attempting to take his camera?

    If he took an implement that was for not for the purposes of self defence
    then he would be ok. But taking some kind of baton is going to result in
    some pretty tough questioning if the police come round wanting to know
    what's going on, and even more of a worry, if he ended up in a fight, used
    the baton and caused serious damage, even in self defence he is going to end
    up doing time.
     
    Tired, Aug 13, 2012
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    Geoff Berrow Guest

    How about a monopod?
    Kind regards,

    Geoff Berrow
    www.slipperyhill.co.uk
    New CD, 'Gathering Speed' out now! Available
    on our website or from iTunes/Amazon
     
    Geoff Berrow, Aug 13, 2012
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    Frayed Guest

    Silly question, really, as you already know, even in the asking.
    Take a suitable implement for which you have a potentially entirely
    reasonable use.
    A good heavy torch springs to mind.

    I have been barged into on several occasions, by people who have walked in a
    straight line, quite predictably, into my tripod, erected in full view.
    It is not necessarily the thug you need to be concerned about, but the
    increasing number of casual, "accidental" incidents that may occur.

    A Little
     
    Frayed, Aug 13, 2012
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    Tired Guest

    Geoff Berrow wrote:
    ::
    ::: john woods wrote:
    ::::: Young relative keen on photography, is experimenting photographing
    ::::: plant life in a public open space at night with a powerful spot
    ::::: lamp.
    :::::
    ::::: He would be out there in a public space and with an expensive
    ::::: camera.
    :::::
    ::::: Would he be commiting any offence obtaining an expandable baton
    ::::: (such as the police have) and taking it with him, just in case
    ::::: some low life's are attempting to take his camera?
    :::
    ::: If he took an implement that was for not for the purposes of self
    ::: defence then he would be ok. But taking some kind of baton is going
    ::: to result in some pretty tough questioning if the police come round
    ::: wanting to know what's going on, and even more of a worry, if he
    ::: ended up in a fight, used the baton and caused serious damage, even
    ::: in self defence he is going to end up doing time.
    :::
    ::
    :: How about a monopod?
    :: Kind regards,
    ::
    :: Geoff Berrow

    An excellent suggestion. He could, in the course of self defence, quite
    reasonably use this implement in a way that killed someone and walk away
    scot free.
     
    Tired, Aug 13, 2012
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    harryagain Guest

    What he wants is a heavy metal torch. No-one can say it is an offesive
    weapon, esp at night.
     
    harryagain, Aug 13, 2012
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    Paul Hyett Guest

    Only if his defence/jury are complete morons...
     
    Paul Hyett, Aug 13, 2012
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    Ian Guest

    : Young relative keen on photography, is experimenting photographing plant
    : life in a public open space at night with a powerful spot lamp.:
    : He would be out there in a public space and with an expensive camera.:
    : Would he be commiting any offence obtaining an expandable baton (such as
    the
    : police have) and taking it with him, just in case some low life's are
    : attempting to take his camera?

    Hello John.
    Is there a relative (or two) that could accompany him? There's definitely
    safety in numbers.
    Regards, Ian.
     
    Ian, Aug 13, 2012
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    john woods Guest

     
    john woods, Aug 13, 2012
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    Martin Guest

    You could take a look at the XShot, it collapses just like a baton too.
    I don't have one so I don't know how strong they are.
     
    Martin, Aug 13, 2012
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  14. Frankly, I've usually taken a monopod. With a decent ball haed on it, it
    is both a useful innocent photo accessory and could be used in self-
    defence.

    Never had to use it though.

    Mike
     
    Michael J Davis, Aug 13, 2012
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  15. Carrying it for self defence against a possible threat is not a lawful
    ... so what is?

    szymon
     
    Szymon von Ulezalka, Aug 14, 2012
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    AndyW Guest

    Taking a weapon is very seriously frowned upon.
    There are two issues here one is beating off an attacker and the other
    is an issue of buying time.

    Various sticks and torches have already been suggested but to buy time
    you cannot beat a powerful fast-recharge flash gun, blast someone full
    in the eyes with one of those and you have bought quite a few vital seconds.

    Andy
     
    AndyW, Aug 14, 2012
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    Frayed Guest

    And the "few" seconds lost in taking it out, charging it and finding the
    button?
    Fight to win.
     
    Frayed, Aug 14, 2012
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    Peter Parry Guest

    In this case, there isn't. A folding baton is defined in law as an
    offensive weapon. It has no other purpose.

    If the offensive weapon is carried as a general precaution against the
    possibility of attack then case law has determined this does not
    constitute a reasonable excuse.

    Evans Hughes [1972] Crim.L.R. 558
    http://www.rjerrard.co.uk/law/cases/densu.htm


    However, it might constitute a reasonable excuse if a person thought
    that he was about to be attacked imminently and carried the weapon to
    defend himself against a specific danger.
     
    Peter Parry, Aug 14, 2012
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  19. As in Rear Window?

    Mike
     
    Michael J Davis, Aug 14, 2012
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    Rob Morley Guest

    Get an old Zenit SLR and attach it to a sturdy strap. :)
     
    Rob Morley, Aug 14, 2012
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