Print on metal

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Tony Cooper, Dec 22, 2013.

  1. Tony Cooper

    Tony Cooper Guest

    While I've never been a fan of gimmicky photo presentations, I got a
    $50 gift certificate from my camera club for a product at National
    Photo Labs. My daughter's birthday is in January, so I ordered a 14"
    x 11" metal print of this photo she took:

    It arrived yesterday, and I have to admit this photo does look great
    on metal. I think she'll be pleased with the gift.

    The only problem I had was in cropping the image to the right ratio. I
    used a 6" x 4" .jpg she'd sent me a while back, and re-sized it using
    OnOne's Perfect Resize module and then cropped it for the right ratio.

    The metal print, a mounting block, and shipping all amounted to less
    than $50, so my daughter's cheap father got off scot-free.
    Tony Cooper, Dec 22, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    That is a nice shot that shows your daughter put her interpretation on
    what would otherwise be an ordinary flower image. I think it would look
    neat as a metallic print. What toy are you buying with the money you
    saved? ;-)
    PeterN, Dec 22, 2013
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  3. Tony Cooper

    Tony Cooper Guest

    Hah! Money saved? It just allowed me to give her one additional gift
    without money out-of-pocket.
    Tony Cooper, Dec 22, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    That is where Perfect Resize is invaluable especially when resizing over 100%.
    Prints on metal are quite a surprise when you first see them, and they
    can bring a different dimension to the original.
    The same can be said for prints on metallic finish paper. I have been
    using Red River Paper's "Polar Pearl Metallic" with my R2880 and get
    results which are so different from seeing the same image printed on
    gloss, or other standard finish paper. It is not particularly good for
    B&W (though some B&W results are very interesting). I am always amazed
    when I see the results I get on that paper at home.

    Savageduck, Dec 22, 2013
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    android Guest

    But surprised? ;-)
    So you say... I think that you owe her one. ;-)
    android, Dec 22, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    That happens with daughters. I hae two of them.
    PeterN, Dec 22, 2013
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    RichA Guest

    The only way it would look different than on paper, would be if the metal was showing through the ink, which I presume is the case, like a Daguerreotype?
    RichA, Dec 24, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    Not quite.
    The surfaces ink is applied to makes a difference in the presentation
    and appearance to the viewer. Consider just the variability between,
    gloss, super/ultra-gloss, satin finish, and matte papers. Add to that
    linen and canvas finish papers.
    Then if you take the reflectivity of ink applied to a highly reflective
    surface such as polished & prepared metal, or a metallic finish paper,
    the result is a print with depth and quality which has to be seen to be
    appreciated, words cannot do them justice.
    ....and none of the metal shows through the ink.

    Trying to show the result of a metallic print on a computer monitor is
    a futile exercise, you have to see them in the flesh.
    I suggest that if you use a prosumer or better printer (there isn't
    much point in wasting these papers on a budget printer) get the Red
    River Paper (RRP) sample pack, and download the appropriate
    paper/printer icc profiles from RRP. Select an appropriate image file
    and test for yourself. There are some images which lend themselves for
    great presentation on metallic finish print surfaces, others not so
    < >

    My printer recommendation would be any of the Epson pro, or prosumer
    printers. I have not been happy with the results I got from my Canon
    i9900. Other folks might disagree, so YMMV.
    Savageduck, Dec 24, 2013
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    That was a problem years ago, but hasn't been a problem with the Epson
    printers that I've owned in recent years. I go days and weeks without
    printing anything in color, and haven't had a printhead clog in
    several years. Most of what I print is text-only, but the color
    cartridges haven't clogged. I don't recall having to ever download a
    new driver.

    I have my "keeper" prints done by an outside source, and just print
    family snapshots on my Epson Artisan 710 using Epson photo paper. If
    I need 10 or more family snapshots, I use Costco and order lustre

    The Artisan 710 is a printer/copier/scanner combo, and I use the
    copier function very frequently, the scanner function somewhat
    frequently, and the color printing ability infrequently.

    It has a feature that I like in that there's a separate paper holder
    for photo paper. I don't need to load photo paper if I want to whip
    out a 4" x 6" print. I can keep both bond and photo paper always
    Tony Cooper, Dec 24, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    Intent should dictate paper choice. I have settled on a variety of Red
    River Papers for different purposes, UltraPro Gloss, UltraPro Satin,
    Premium Matte, Polar Matte, & 68lb Polar Pearl Metallic. Occasionally I
    will use one or other of the available fine art or fabric based papers.
    Most importantly I use the appropriate matched paper/printer icc

    In my paper inventory I also have a variety different finish of Kodak,
    Ilford, Canon, & Epson papers.
    Yup! It is as important to select the best paper for the ideal
    presentation of a particular image, as it is making the right choices
    for exposure, and in post processing. While what you say regarding
    which images work best for metallic finishes is a reasonable rule of
    thumb, sometimes that is surprisingly not true.
    For some of the older Epsons I agree. The old 870 I had eventually
    became irreversibly clogged, so I bought a Canon i9900, because I swore
    never to buy another Epson. I was never happy with the i9900 as there
    was no consistency. I wasted a lot of ink and paper to get just one
    acceptable keeper print. So I relented and bought an Epson R2880 and I
    am now a very happy camper, and wouldn't hesitate to recommend the
    R2880, or any of the newer Epson pro/prosumer printers. I am an
    infrequent printer, and over the last four years I have yet to have an
    ink clog with my R2880 and the consistent results I get are as good as
    could be achieved on any pro level printer (to my eye).

    I just upgraded my OS from OSX 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) to OSX 10.9.1
    (Mavericks) and the drivers still work just fine.
    Savageduck, Dec 24, 2013
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    Doesn't sound like any of the Epsons I have owned in the last 20
    Eric Stevens, Dec 24, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    I guess you never had an Epson Stylus Photo 870. Not too bad when it
    worked, then it became a useless boat anchor, and no number of head
    cleaning cartridges could save it.
    Savageduck, Dec 24, 2013
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    RichA Guest

    What do people use ultra glossy for? You can't mount it under glass unlessyou have some magical way of fusing it with the glass under-surface to avoid gaps and even if you board mount it and leave it uncovered, it's hard tolight so you don't get reflections. I realize it still produces the best colour saturation and blacks however.
    RichA, Dec 24, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    ....and yet there are some who find it useful when the appropriate
    circumstances arise. The seem to be able to work around the issues
    which trouble you.
    Savageduck, Dec 25, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    Not hard if you understand what you are doing,

    I realize it still produces the
    Therefore the reason, for some, but not all images.
    Few issues seem not to trouble Rich.
    He would be much happier if he learned that there are times when it's
    best to go with the flow.
    PeterN, Dec 25, 2013
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    I've been looking into history and found that 20 years is maybe a bit
    long. I will still stick with 17 years.

    At one stage I owned what was (I think) an Epson Stylus Photo 1870. It
    gave me trouble in the beginning but Epson gave me a replacement print
    head which fixed my problems. I believe there were several designs of
    head for this printer, maybe even a change in the number and type of
    inks also, but I'm now very hazy on the details.

    My next printer was an 1800 which ran like a charm and the last time I
    heard it was still doing so in the hands of its new owner.

    As for drivers, I've never had any trouble although I have gone from
    Windows 2000 to XP32 and then on to 7-64 with various printers.

    I have had only one incident requiring nozzle cleaning with the Epson
    3800, and that was no trouble.
    Eric Stevens, Dec 25, 2013
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    Actually, thinking about the problems of the 1870 (or whatever it was)
    they were largely due to cat fur. See
    Eric Stevens, Dec 25, 2013
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    I know, I know. Cats will spend 23 hours completely immobile, but
    when you try to scan them they tend to get agitated and start
    Tony Cooper, Dec 25, 2013
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    J. Clarke Guest

    All you have to do is leave the lid on the scanner up and make sure it's
    warm and the cat will be happy to pose for a scan. Back when I had
    cats, the computer, printer, and scanner were favorite sleeping spots.
    J. Clarke, Dec 25, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    Was the cat scan with or without contrast.
    PeterN, Dec 25, 2013
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