Printer ink a major rip-off?

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by RichA, May 26, 2007.

  1. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Most of us knew this LONG ago!

    Ink price stinks, says 'ThINK' tank

    Friday 25th May 2007
    Chris Cheesman
    Kodak/Think survey

    The price of printer ink is far too high according to a survey of
    American consumers, many of whom choose to print at work to save cash.

    The Kodak-commissioned survey found that around 60% of people who own
    a home printer believe printer ink is expensive.

    Almost 50% of respondents said they would print 'more or differently'
    if ink cost less.

    'Americans' ink problems stem from the fact that people believe the
    price of ink just stinks,' concluded Dr Will Miller, a self-proclaimed
    'ink shrink'.

    To reduce ink use, a quarter of those polled say they print at other
    locations, such as a 'friend's house', instead of at home.

    What is more, 36% of parents surveyed admitted that they limit their
    children's printer access and use, to save on ink.

    The survey, dubbed 'thINK', refers to the habit of 'ink sneaking',
    described as a relatively new office phenomenon, 'reminiscent of the
    once common practice of stealing office pens'.

    The poll, by Braun Research, was conducted in March based on a 26-
    question, telephone-based interview of 1,000 people aged 18 or over.

    Analysing the survey results Miller concluded that the typical
    consumer fits into one of three 'ink personalities': squirrels, squids
    or snakes.

    The squirrels are consumers who are 'conscientiously concerned about
    conserving ink'.

    Squids are those unconcerned about wasting ink and with a 'strong
    likelihood to print whatever, whenever'.

    While, the 'snakes' are described as those who print personal
    documents away from home or 'having others print for them'.

    For those curious about which category they fall into Kodak has set up
    a quiz at

    Kodak commissioned the survey to help publicise its claim that its new
    all-in-one inkjet printers will save consumers 50% on their printing
    compared to 'similar consumer inkjet printers'.
    RichA, May 26, 2007
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  2. RichA

    =\(8\) Guest

    Of course printer ink is a rip-off, just like gas, bottle water, soda pop,
    and many other things. Until consumers come together and put a stop to it
    these things and more will continue to be a rip-off. This is what greedy
    corporations are all about. That's what America's and unfortunately a
    growing number of other countries problems are, greed.

    =\(8\), May 26, 2007
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  3. Well, on the other hand, shouldn't there be a reward for coming up with
    something that people will buy...even if it is overpriced?
    WILLIAM HERSHMAN, May 26, 2007
  4. That is why I by my printer in in bulk. I purchased my last printer, which I
    bought specifically to do photos, with the the idea that I was going to use
    bulk ink with I. I purchased an Epson printer. Canon would have done as
    well if I used Windows. I use Linux.

    I the past I have used CIS (Continuous Ink System) with good luck on one an
    Epson printer. However when I replaced the printer I went back to refillable
    ink cartridges I may be moving in the next year. The CIS is not a very
    portable system.

    Have a good day.

    William Hathaway via, May 26, 2007
  5. RichA

    Philip Lee Guest

    I, too, use an Epson because the ink cartridges cost $1.70 USD for maybe 500
    pages of mixed text/graphics. 1/3 cent/page isn't too bad. Color's 3x more
    expensive but lasts somewhat longer.
    Philip Lee, May 26, 2007
  6. RichA

    frederick Guest

    Yes - there should be a reward. I don't know how much $$$ Epson makes on
    ink. I do know that HP made ~ US$4,500,000,000 from ink and toner sales
    last year. That's some pretty big reward.
    The thing that really annoys me about Epson is knowing that they sell
    ink cartridges in Japan - identical in every way apart from being
    "zone-chipped" - for about 2/3 of the US price, and less than half the
    European price.
    The Japanese consumer can use a high-end output quality but still
    "consumer/semi-pro" duty cycle machine like an Epson R1800 or 2400, with
    cost of ink per print lower than a user of a production 4/7/9 800 series
    machine in Europe. That sucks.
    frederick, May 26, 2007
  7. RichA

    dicko Guest

    I believe the bulk of HP's profit comes from ink and paper sales.

    Everyone invests in HP thinking its a "tech" company. It should
    really be treated as an "office supply" company and valued

    dicko, May 26, 2007
  8. RichA

    Alan Browne Guest

    Regrettably "reward" is very material based in a world where resources
    are dwindling, the climate and environment are deteriorationg and the
    population is growing.
    Alan Browne, May 26, 2007
  9. RichA

    C J Campbell Guest

    I presume, then, that you use none of these things.
    C J Campbell, May 26, 2007
  10. RichA

    =\(8\) Guest

    Never said I did or didn't. Just pointing out a fact of life and saying I
    don't think its right and it happens because of corporate greed and because
    consumers aren't smart enough to force changes enmass. If people stopped
    buying ink for their printers and let the companies know that they won't be
    buying any more until the price drops drastically you can be Epson, Canon,
    HP and the others would have no choice. But, like with gas as long as the
    lemming like consumers continue to jump of the high price cliff companies
    are going to continue to **** the over. Plain and simple.

    Right now I have an Epson R2400, Epson PictureMate Snap, a Brother black and
    white laser printer and an HP B9180 the Epsons and the HP are out of ink for
    more than half their cartridges. They sit powered off and they will continue
    to do so until ink prices become fair. If they don't then the printers will
    be recycled. It makes no difference to me if I print my photos or not. There
    are many other ways of sharing, showing and saving them.

    As for bottled water I haven't bought a bottle since I did the math on what
    it actually costs per gallon. Add to that that a great deal of the bottled
    water is just filtered tap water and it becomes even more of a consumer

    =\(8\), May 26, 2007
  11. RichA

    C J Campbell Guest

    If consumers stop buying a product, most corporations stop making it.
    The employees there usually have this funny idea that they don't want
    to work for free. They are consumers, too.

    "Corporate greed" is too often bandied about by people who have no idea
    what the profit margin is for most corporations. No one makes you buy
    anything -- if you don't want to pay the asking price, don't buy it. It
    is the simple law of supply and demand.
    C J Campbell, May 27, 2007
  12. RichA

    Rod Guest

    Just like gas if everyone used just a little less
    they would have to reduce prices. The easy fix for
    ink is to refill. If you are willing to spend a
    little time ink can be very cheap. I have A Canon
    I960 which I have to admit are the easiest to
    refill. They cost around $12 each in the store. I
    can refill for about $1 each. If everyone did this
    it wouldn't take very long for prices to change.
    Rod, May 27, 2007
  13. RichA

    =\(8\) Guest

    I have tried refills and 3rd party cartridges on a Canon I used to have and
    have always found the ink sub-standard compared to the real ink made by the
    printer maker. So I don't see that as a very worth while alternative if the
    prints only last 1/10th as long, you end up having to do reprints more often
    which kills the cost savings and can actually increase your cost because you
    also have to factor in the paper.

    No consumers just need to stop buying ink until the printer makers
    understand that we are in control. They need us and our money far more than
    we need them.

    =\(8\), May 28, 2007
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