Printing Problem

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Carole, Sep 15, 2003.

  1. Carole

    Carole Guest

    I have just started printing my own pictures. My landscapes, animals,
    etc. are coming out fine. My problem is with people pictures. They all
    look like everyone has been out in the sun too long. How can all the
    other pictures look so good, and the people pictures are all too red in
    the face? Is there a setting I can change?

    Carole, Sep 15, 2003
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  2. Is this darkroom printing or printing from a computer?
    Thor Henning Wegener, Sep 15, 2003
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  3. Carole

    Carole Guest

    From a computer - I have a program that I think came with my scanner
    called PhotoRecord which does nice layouts and it's great for
    landscapes, and other things, but humans are too red...
    Carole, Sep 15, 2003
  4. Carole

    J C Guest

    Just FYI, the problem cannot be in just the humans. All your pics are
    probably too red... just that you don't notice the red in landscapes
    and animals (as there's less red in those shots).

    The problem could be occurring from many reasons. Here's some common

    1. The first place that you SHOULD start is with your monitor. Your
    monitor is probably not color adjusted to show you exactly what colors
    the photos actually contain. You should look into how to calibrate
    your monitor. And once calibrated consider that you might have to
    color adjust your image so that the resulting scans will print better.
    This is much easier to do if you have a copy of Photoshop and read
    the manual sections that cover this aspect. However, if you do not
    have photoshop then you can probably find some info on how do manually
    adjust your monitor on the web.

    2. Your scanner might be picking up (adding) the red, but I would not
    fiddle with any scan settings until you've adjusted your monitor.

    3. Your inkjet's color curve profile might be off. In most inkjets
    there are settings in the print driver (i.e., the dialog boxes that
    pop up when you print) that allow you to change the ink profile.
    Remember that you are scanning in RGB and that you are viewing the
    image on the monitor in RGB, but your inkjet does not print using RGB
    inks... it uses 4, 5 or more (depending on the inkjet model) inks and
    these inks are closer to the CMYK (Cyan, Magental, Yellow, Black)
    color gamut. You could, for example, set up an ink profile that you
    then only use when printing images of people (and use the default ink
    setup when you're printing landscapes... since you're happy with how
    those are coming out).

    4. Additionally, the conversion of RGB data to CMYK is handled
    differently by different programs. Perhaps "PhotoRecord" is not the
    best program to use....

    And lastly, I'm not familiar with the "PhotoRecord" as a program, but
    consider that for serious photo work you'd do better with Photoshop.
    For example, for #1 above, Photoshop allows you to sample pixels and
    read out their actual color values. Sometimes getting great prints on
    desktop printing devices depends on the user's ability to mentally
    interpret what they see on the computer screen to what the inkjet
    printer produces, then make the appropriate color adjustments and
    print the image again (sort of like working in a darkroom with a test
    print then tweaking the color knobs on the enlarger).

    -- JC
    J C, Sep 15, 2003
  5. Photoshop is a very good program, for someone who is prepared to spend
    several hundred dollars to buy it, and a long time to learn it. There are
    better choices for the amateur. I strongly recommend Paint Shop Pro. You
    can get the free trial version at It has built-in functions
    to adjust and print photos that are very easy to use, and more powerful
    functions that you can learn to use as needed.

    And here is the url for a procedure to match your monitor and printer, for
    users of Paint Shop Pro:
    Marvin Margoshes, Sep 15, 2003
  6. Carole

    J C Guest

    That's a pretty good explanation.

    I'm not entirely certain however that I'd trust a web page's display
    of the greyscale tones. I think it would be preferable to build the
    greyscale image yourself in the application that you'll be using to
    edit images (whether that be Photoshop or Paintshop).

    One of the reasons for that above recommendation is that even in
    professional applications, color data is displayed differently. For
    example, a CMYK color TIF image in Adobe's Photoshop will look
    different than it does when it is placed in Adobe's PageMaker.

    I also wonder why I keep seeing so many calibration instructions that
    say to set the monitor's white point to 6500 K. Way back when I was
    first introduced to monitor calibration the recommendation was 9300 K,
    which provides a whiter image (at 6500 K most monitors have a yellow
    cast, but that's only evident when toggling between 6500 and 9300).

    -- JC
    J C, Sep 15, 2003
  7. Carole

    RSD99 Guest

    Re: "...
    example, a CMYK color TIF image in Adobe's Photoshop will look
    different than it does when it is placed in Adobe's PageMaker.

    That's because PAGEMAKER does not have, or advertise that it has, accurate color display
    capabilities. It is well known that PageMaker's display capabilities are "for preview
    only" ... meaning essentially "FPO" [For Position Only].

    "J C" <> wrote in message news:...
    RSD99, Sep 15, 2003
  8. Carole

    J C Guest

    While the above can be said for quite a bit of software, PageMaker is
    not really one of those. In fact, there is an entire chapter as well
    as several other sections in the PM manual that are devoted to color

    So... PM is supposed to be able to manage color.

    -- JC
    J C, Sep 15, 2003
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