Privacy and deleting old messages -To Moderator and any others that may be able to help

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by gg, Apr 28, 2007.

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    gg Guest

    Hello Group

    I was googling my name and found postings that I have on this group
    from 1995, I would like them deleted, these postings were posted at
    the time with the understanding that the posting were accessible to
    this group only, now it seems anyone that googles my name, can access
    these postings from 1995, is there any way to delete them?

    please advise and help.

    thanks
    gg
     
    gg, Apr 28, 2007
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    nappy Guest

    when you figure out how to delete them grab mine while you're at it. !

    <ain't gonna happen! >

    nap
     
    nappy, Apr 28, 2007
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  3. You actually can send cancel messages from your newsreader. I have been
    thinking about doing this, but it is no simple job.
     
    Povl H. Pedersen, Apr 28, 2007
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    PTravel Guest

    Does Google Groups honor cancel messages? I don't think it does.
     
    PTravel, Apr 28, 2007
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  5. Uhm, sure, if the ISP actually _does_ the cancel (not likely). Besides,
    archives usually grab anything, and do not cancel, because that is what
    they are supposed to be, an archive :)
    Maybe if you have a lot of money, and buy up Google (and all kind of other
    archivers), you can delete your own stuff ;-)

    cheers

    -martin-
     
    Martin Heffels, Apr 28, 2007
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    Rick Merrill Guest


    Google can delete slander, etc., but you'll need to send 'em a
    registered letter most of the time! (unless you're the FBI)
     
    Rick Merrill, Apr 28, 2007
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    Frank Guest

    Privacy and deleting old messages -To Moderator and
    any others that may be able to help>,

    When posting a new message (article), using the "X-No-Archive: yes"
    option in the header of the message, and sometimes as the first line
    of the body text, will alert *some* archivers to not archive the
    message, although it may be displayed for seven days or so. Of course,
    this doesn't apply to messages which have already been sent. I'm not
    sure if a Cancel control message that related to a message posted
    years earlier would have any effect.

    Getting old Usenet messages deleted from http://groups.google.com/ may
    be possible. I really don't know as I've never tried, but I would
    think that it would take some effort, such as proving that you were
    the original poster.
     
    Frank, Apr 28, 2007
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    GMAN Guest

    The only way that will happen is with a hug EMP pulse over the whole surface of
    the earth.
     
    GMAN, Apr 28, 2007
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    GMAN Guest

    But most all usenet servers ignore the command.
     
    GMAN, Apr 28, 2007
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  10. "gg" wrote ...
    You appear to not understand how Usenet works. Suggest doing
    a bit of research to reset your expectations. You could start here...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

    1) There is no "moderator" on this Usenet newsgroup.
    Some Usenet Newsgroups are moderated. They usually include
    the word "moderated" in the title. But moderation only controls
    what messages get submitted, once they get sent to the network,
    they are out there forever. Newsgoup moderators have no
    control over how individual news servers handle the messages.

    2) Nothing about this (or any other) newsgroup has anything to
    do with Google, with these two provisions...

    a) Google offers a web-based gateway to the Usenet Newsgroups.
    Google has no exclusive rights to do this. Anybody with network
    access could do it (and some have). Usenet existed a decade (or
    more) before Google was invented and exists quite separately and
    independently of Google.

    b) Google bought a Usenet archive from DejaNews and continues
    to operate it. Google also has no exclusive "rights" to keep an
    archive of the Usenet Newsgroups. Anybody can save messages
    for as long as they wish. Google can decide for themselves whether
    or not to honor cancel messages. They are not compelled to (or
    not to). Evidence suggests that they ignore cancel messages
    unless challenged with serious legal consequences.

    3) NNTP is designed with the ability to cancel posted messages.
    But because the network has become so fast (compared to 20
    years ago when Usenet was invented), it is quite probable that
    your news server has forwarded your message to scores or
    hundreds of other servers before you even decide to cancel your
    message. The longer you wait (measured in milliseconds) and
    the more other servers are involved, the less likely it is that you
    can effectively cancel a message. For all practical purposes, you
    can assume that messages are out there forever as soon as you
    click the button.

    4) Unless you have a really good legal reason and/or big bucks to
    spend on legal challenges, getting Google (or anybody else) to
    remove historic messages seems really unlikely.

    5) Some have said that Google DOES honor "X-NoArchive"
    tags, but not everyone does. You can assume that somebody
    (or likely several people) have copies of your messages regardless
    of ANYTHING you can do.

    Best policy is to not post anything you don't want to be
    publicly available on the internet forever.
     
    Richard Crowley, Apr 29, 2007
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    davesvideo Guest

    I often wonder when I see a post that has requested it's own removal
    in 6 days: If it is only valid for 6 days, was it really worth posting
    at all?

    Dave
     
    davesvideo, Apr 30, 2007
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