problem in watching video on TV

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by tan, Dec 18, 2005.

  1. tan

    tan Guest

    Hi

    I bought sony camcorder (TRV-355E) in India and I was able to watch my
    recordings in the "vcr mode" on the television. After I have arrived in
    united states, I am getting constant problem in watching videos on TV;
    they are shaking and also appears black-and-white. Any help or
    suggestions?

    regards
    Tanima
     
    tan, Dec 18, 2005
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  2. tan

    Smarty Guest

    India uses a TV system called PAL which is different from the U.S. system
    (NTSC). The camcorder you purchased in India may not be compatible with the
    U.S. system.

    Smarty
     
    Smarty, Dec 18, 2005
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  3. tan

    tan Guest

    Is there any way to make it compatible? How can I achieve PAL to NTSC
    conversion?
     
    tan, Dec 18, 2005
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  4. tan

    tan Guest

    I checked the VCR settings on my camcorder. Earlier it was "on PAL TV";
    i changed it to "NTSC 4.43". Still the problem persists.
     
    tan, Dec 18, 2005
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  5. tan

    Smarty Guest

    Are you playing back tapes which were recorded in PAL? If so, the new switch
    setting may have no effect.


    You need to record and then play back in NTSC.

    Smarty
     
    Smarty, Dec 18, 2005
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  6. You were watching a PAL tape recorded and played on
    a PAL camcorder and viewing it on a PAL TV set.
    You are playing a PAL tape on a PAL camcorder and
    attempting to view it on an NTSC TV set. What is
    surprising is that you see anything at all.
    Return or trade your PAL camera for an NTSC unit.
    There is almost no NTSC equipment that can play
    PAL video. Conversely, many PAL TV sets will play
    NTSC. But you are stuck with a "foreign standard"
    which is completely incompatible with the North
    American TV standard. Sorry, but that's the facts.
     
    Richard Crowley, Dec 18, 2005
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  7. You can find a way of importing your PAL into a computer
    and then converting it to NTSC. This requires hardware and
    software made to be compatible with PAL. And it comes at
    the cost of lower-quality video as a result of the conversion
    process.
     
    Richard Crowley, Dec 18, 2005
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  8. tan

    tan Guest

    I changed the vcr-settings to NTSC 4.43 and re-recorded, still i find
    problem in displaying on the tv. Does the tv on usa is not compatible
    with NTSC-4.43?
     
    tan, Dec 18, 2005
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  9. "tan" wrote ...
    No. Not compaible.
    NTSC-4.43 (aka "PAL-60") is a bastard format invented to
    make NTSC tapes playable on PAL VCRs and TVs. None one
    in 10,000 NTSC VCRs or TVs will play NTSC-4.43

    You are stuck in NTSC-land with a PAL camcorder.
    Maybe you can sell it on eBay.
     
    Richard Crowley, Dec 18, 2005
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  10. tan

    tan Guest

    Hey Smarty and Richard,

    Your reviews were really helpful. Thanks a ton..

    Tanima
     
    tan, Dec 18, 2005
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  11. tan

    pjayant Guest

    I am living in India and my computer, Panasonic VCR and the Pioneer DVD
    player normally work in PAL-B format. But I received some DVDs in NTSC
    format. All the 3 devices - TV, VCR tape recorder cum player and the
    DVD Player - have the option to play NTSC or PAL or SECAM formats of
    recordings. And if I adjust the devices at both the input and output
    end to the required standard, I can view non-PAL-B DVDs, VCDs or VCR
    tapes without any loss of quality.

    Using my computer, I have even coaptured several of the NTSC files and
    burnt my own DVDs with NeroViusion or Sonic' MYDVD software. And they
    too show fine on my Players.

    So why all this fuss in the tecnologically most advanced country in the
    world? Or do we put blindfolds wanting to live ONLY in our familiar
    world?

    P. Jayant
     
    pjayant, Dec 18, 2005
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  12. tan

    davesvideo Guest

    I think it more a lack of fuss (lack of demand). A, why should we be
    compatable, attitude. The rest of the world learns English. so let them
    also take care of compatibility. And as someone mentioned, many
    machines in PAL countries play NTSC, so that is what is happening. If
    there is enough demand for it, consumer grade NTSC machines that also
    play PAL will be seen.

    Dave
     
    davesvideo, Dec 18, 2005
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  13. davesvideo wrote ...
    Perhaps. OTOH, here are some actual facts.
    1) Color video became available to consumers in North
    America (i.e. NTSC) before it was available in the PAL
    and SECAM parts of the world. Note that the kid who
    always has the first new toy also has the oldest toys(!)
    The people who developed the PAL/SECAM color
    methodology learned from the mistakes of NTSC.

    2) Much more content (i.e. Hollywood movies & US TV)
    gets exported to other markets than vice-versa. This is
    very slowly changing since people from nearly every
    country on the planet live in the USA.

    3) The North American market is large enough that it is
    profitable to create North-American/NTSC versions of
    tapes, DVDs, etc. for sale.
     
    Richard Crowley, Dec 18, 2005
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  14. tan

    Ken Maltby Guest

    Oddly enough, you might blame the English for the spread
    and adoption of their language.

    First there was the British Empire, upon which the sun never
    set. With it's domination of the other would be colonial
    powers, the Dutch, the Spanish (despite their armada), and
    the French, of course. The USA may take some blame for the
    spread of English in Asia, though.

    The British were able to prevent French from becoming the
    dominate language at Waterloo. They had some help stopping
    domination of the world by German speakers, sometime latter.

    The natural spread and dominance of a language is connected
    to the introduction of commerce and technology. Latin may have
    been kept alive by the church, but it was the Empire that spread
    it to the world in the first place. Latin remained a measure of the
    "Learned" individual for a very long time after the fall of the Empire,
    but lost it's importance, on the world scene, once it was no longer
    useful for trade. Steam technology shrank the world and it was
    spread by English speakers, it established English as the first and
    most well distributed "Language of Technology". (Latin and French
    spent some time as languages of Science and Diplomacy but that
    eventually faded away in a sea of English speakers.)

    The world adopts English not because it was or is imposed
    upon it, but because it became the language that describes
    modern technological existence. While it was never planned
    that way, and English just happened to be in the right place at
    the right time, things could have been worse; the English language
    is very adaptable in the way it can acquire and apply terms. Now
    I know there are plenty of contrary examples, but it seems to be
    working well in this area.

    A bigger question for this thread is why is there is still PAL (not
    to mention SECAM) or why there is still NTSC. Population wise
    it looks like a pretty even split, but China and India may be tilting
    the numbers as more and more sets come in use there.

    Luck;
    Ken
     
    Ken Maltby, Dec 18, 2005
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  15. tan

    marks542004 Guest


    Many video editors (software) will read pal video and output NTSC.
    Because the size of the images is different you get a reduction in
    quality if you let the system shrink the PAL image to NTSC.

    You can however trim the PAL image to the required NTSC size but at the
    cost of losing some of the image.

    And of course you should be able to transfer your PAL video to a
    computer and watch it in PAL format on your computer screen.
     
    marks542004, Dec 18, 2005
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  16. tan

    Alpha Guest

    When I studied linguistics, this was an important point made by the
    professor (who was originally from Great Britain). American English in
    particular is highly creative, adaptable, and fluid. Very little class
    status is associated by use (with the obvious sub-cultural inventions such
    as Valley speak, surfer speak, rap speak etc) compared to other countries
    that codify class by language use.
     
    Alpha, Dec 18, 2005
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  17. tan

    J. Clarke Guest

    If you have $300US or so so spend you could get a PAL/NTSC transcoder, takes
    the output from your camcorder and does a signal conversion to something a
    US-standard TV can understand. Most of them will also convert the other
    way.

    Start another thread with that topic and I suspect you'll get some good
    advice as to brands and models that work well.
     
    J. Clarke, Jan 10, 2006
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  18. I can definitely recommend the Com World CMD 1200
    http://www.world-import.com/cmd1200.htm
     
    Kimba W. Lion, Jan 11, 2006
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  19. tan

    kaboom Guest

    **I can second that. I got one last January with a Toshiba multisystem
    VCR. It does a great job of converting the PAL VHS tapes to NTSC so I
    can either burn them to DVD or just watch them on my regular TV.

    kaboomie
     
    kaboom, Jan 11, 2006
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