Professionals, raise you right hand and say.....

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by RichA, Dec 10, 2007.

  1. RichA

    RichA Guest

    "I will not, in the year 2008, shoot penguins, icebergs, walrus or
    recycling yards in Pakistan. I will NOT become just another
    photographer's cliche."

    The past two years reminds me of situation of professional mountain
    climbing guides who spend most of their time running inexperienced
    idiots up Everest. They do it because they aren't rich and have to
    make a living. Must photographers make a living shooting the SAME
    things to death? Faddism and photography shouldn't mix because the
    result is often unsatisfying.
     
    RichA, Dec 10, 2007
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    Not4wood Guest

    Ahhhh, but if a client is paying you big mucho bucks to shoot something then
    I say what the hell its there money.

    You end up either being published, somewhere or hanging on someones wall.
    Does it really matter, a big NO!! Creativity is fine but does take a back
    seat to a paying customer who wants something done and is willing to pay.
    Way back when if I wanted a new piece of equipment, lens or darkroom
    whatever I made sure I sold something or did a big job so the photography
    would pay for itself.

    This goes for anybody who creates something, and gets paid for it. Lets say
    your a musician (in a band) who likes to play from there heart. Now your
    asked to play a wedding, and they want to hear certain songs. Some you
    really dont care to either hear or play and they dont want to hear your own
    written songs unless they specifically ask for it and request it. You are
    hired to do a job, and after this job is done you could stick to and go back
    to your principles

    The unrealistic thought is, you do these things to pay your dues and some
    day you will have enough money to have your own studio and limit those
    non-creative jobs. The reality is you do what people are paying you for.
    If you don't do it there are 50 or a whole lot more photographers out there
    who would.

    The sad part is eventually you will get burned out and put down your camera.
    I put mine down back in '88 and I'm just getting back into Photography
    seriously this year.

    Not4wood
     
    Not4wood, Dec 10, 2007
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    Douglas Guest

    I partly agree with what you say and partly do not. "woody".

    Professional Photography is about following a client's instructions or...
    Speculating on what a potential customer will like. A successful
    photographer will have a mix of both. I shoot weddings and portraits for a
    living. It pays well enough to fund my annual equipment upgrades and a
    little left over for feeding me.

    I make my "real" money out of speculative and creative editing photography.
    I also have a pretty big garbage can for those which I make a bad call on
    printing. The more paid work I do, the fewer speculative photographs I take
    and the lower my income gets.

    I would think large - as in A2 size coffee table books printed at true
    photographic quality of Antarctic images would be well accepted by the sort
    of people who buy my coffee table books. The thorn here is that 35mm and to
    a large extent digital cameras in general are not the sort of cameras to use
    for them.

    So I agree that as long as you get paid and the client is satisfied - you
    achieve the aim of your motive. Right up to the point where creative and
    speculative photography comes into it. Then you need a clear and creative
    mind which a "money for money's sake" approach is counter productive.

    If I though I could get $700 a book and sell 100 of them, I'd be on the next
    trip to Antarctica. That probably isn't likely to happen because so many
    before me have done it with ineffective equipment and flooded the market
    with their cheap efforts... Not to degrade them but point out the difference
    between images and photographs.

    The same thing happened in South Africa, Central Australia and the Amazon.
    Not much left for an original location so the value of individule,
    opportunistic photographs becomes more important. I'd love a poster of an
    Iceberg to look closely at and admire the minute detail only a 4"x5" camera
    could produce but when I look for one, all I find is a bunch of digital crap
    interpolated up to poster size.

    Douglas
     
    Douglas, Dec 10, 2007
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    G.T. Guest

    Please, more penguins!!!!!! Don't stop shooting penguins!

    I don't live in the southern hemisphere so I want to see all the photos
    of penguins I can get!

    Greg
     
    G.T., Dec 10, 2007
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  5. You might like to visit Edinburgh zoo, then, and see penguins for
    yourself....

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh_Zoo

    Cheers,
    David
     
    David J Taylor, Dec 10, 2007
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    Charlie Self Guest

    Pro photographers make a living shooting what their clients want. Some
    clients tend to cluster around the same subjects, just as TV shows
    cluster around one idea. Obviously, someone is satisfied with photos
    of penguins (couldn't tell you why) and such, just as someone is
    fascinated by "reality" TV shows.
     
    Charlie Self, Dec 10, 2007
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  7. You are a little confused there Rich. The Artist chooses his subjects.
    The Professional does what makes money. The two may not may not happen at
    the same time.

    I don't know about you, but I find making money and paying the rent very
    satisfying.
     
    Joseph Meehan, Dec 10, 2007
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    C J Campbell Guest

    Eh, he probably hates pictures of baby seals on ice floes, too. And
    eagles sitting on top of a blasted pine, bees on flowers, grinning
    naked babies on white blankets, and even brides walking through the
    grass carrying their shoes.

    Tough. Pros are going to take pictures of whatever people are buying.
    If Rich doesn't like it, he can go soak his head.
     
    C J Campbell, Dec 10, 2007
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  9. I didn't know they had penguins, icebergs, walrus in Pakistan.

    Rich
     
    news-server.buffalo.rr.com, Dec 10, 2007
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  10. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Depressing, isn't it?
     
    RichA, Dec 10, 2007
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  11. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Propaganda is another subject altogether.
     
    RichA, Dec 10, 2007
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    -hh Guest

    Well, apparently, all of the photogenic penguins are in Pakistan, so
    its hardly surprising that you haven't gotten enough of them to see
    down where you are in the southern hemisphere ;-)

    FWIW, I was simlarly suprised to learn that Pakistan had icebergs
    *and* walruses too, but I should have realized that it is YA one of
    RichA's frequently interesting pieces of "trivia".


    -hh
     
    -hh, Dec 10, 2007
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    C J Campbell Guest

    You learn something new every day. :)
     
    C J Campbell, Dec 10, 2007
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    BioColor Guest

    Joesph, Pablo agrees with you:

    A painter is a man who paints what he sells; an artist, on the other
    hand, is a man who sells what he paints. -Pablo Picasso, artist and
    sculptor
    (1881-1973)

    Paint --> Photograph, no?

    Cheers,
    DuncanC
     
    BioColor, Dec 10, 2007
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    Ali Guest

    What about a photo of a flock of penguins landing in a Pakistan recycling
    yard to feed, during their migration to the Falklands?
     
    Ali, Dec 10, 2007
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  16. I like watching Art Wolfe's TV show.
    its not only about being or taking pictures of those places and things
    but also about making your life an adventure.
    I am a nature boy at heart and wish I could have lived a lot like Art
    Wolfe.. well almost.

    Tom
     
    Just Shoot Me, Dec 10, 2007
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    RichA Guest

    Is that like Arthur Carlson of WKRP in Cincinnati thinking turkeys
    could fly?
     
    RichA, Dec 10, 2007
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    Not4wood Guest

    Douglas,

    You miss understand me on just a little point.

    Later in this thread someone stated about the Painter/Artist by Pablo.

    After you do your shoot for money, then you can be creative and do your own
    thing. But, a paying customer who asks you on consignment to do something
    like a "Wedding" where you can be creative with your posing and lighting but
    still have to take that table shot of ol Uncle Bill. Afterwards, you can
    shoot or go anywhere you want with that new lens, camera body or whatever.
    I'm not saying to give up being creative, what I'm saying is you have to
    sometimes put being creative on the back burner to make your money then go
    ahead and be as creative as you want. They both work hand in hand. You can
    be creative and do what you want without making money. If, you can sell
    something when your being creative the way you want then go ahead and get
    that most fantastic of feelings when someone buys your "Art". But, you
    can't have your Art without the paying customer unless your independently
    wealthy.

    Not4wood
     
    Not4wood, Dec 11, 2007
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    Ali Guest

    But, how else do Turkeys manage to roost in spaghetti trees?

    Seriously though, I though Turkeys could fly. Maybe not the ones bred for
    Christmas dinner though (or thanksgiving dinner if you're from US).
     
    Ali, Dec 11, 2007
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    Pboud Guest

    Wild turkeys can fly.. Domesticated ones can't.
     
    Pboud, Dec 11, 2007
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