Project to reduce spam here

Discussion in 'Darkroom Developing and Printing' started by David Nebenzahl, Mar 9, 2009.

  1. Regarding spam, I posted earlier that complaining to Google is futile in
    trying to shut down spammers, since there is a threshold number of
    complaints that must be submitted before Google will take such action.

    I'm proposing that we might start a project here to see if we can raise
    enough support within this group to submit enough complaints to see an
    effect (i.e., see the spammers shut down). To that end, I'd like to take
    a poll here to see how many people would be willing to do this--report
    spam messages in this newsgroup to Google. Please reply to this thread.

    My guess is that it would require at least 20 or so complaints about a
    particular spammer before they (Google) seriously considered taking
    action. I'm willing to be convinced that this number is actually higher
    or lower; it's just my seat-of-the-pants guess.

    So once we agree on what this threshold number might be, my suggestion
    is that we target the spammers carefully. Instead of going after all of
    them, pick one--say, the worst current one--and target that particular
    one. Then we can see if our complaints had any effect.

    Remember, this will only work if we can muster that minimum number of
    people willing to complain. I'm ready to do so if enough of us "sign
    up". So let's hear from y'all.

    If someone wants to lead this effort, please speak up. I actually don't
    want to be that leader ...


    --
    Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
    mostly pears.
    Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
    the product.
    Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

    (with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)
     
    David Nebenzahl, Mar 9, 2009
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  2. well, as I've already indicated, I am one of those who complain without fail
    each and every time. I treat these as I do dandelions and other noxious
    weeds - just have to keep after them before they take over the place. A
    passive stance vis a vis spam, as with weeds, results in just more of the
    same. So I go after all of them each and every time.

    By the way...have you noticed that the cat furniture spam has not been
    hereabouts lately?
     
    Lawrence Akutagawa, Mar 9, 2009
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  3. David Nebenzahl

    Peter Guest

    I am willing to cooperate with such a project (subject to reasonable
    expenditure of my time). I've become so frustrated after responding
    rather intensively some months ago and not seeing much effect that I
    stopped complaining. Perhaps whoever leads the effort should clarify
    what the rest of us need to do.

    I do not use a news reader; I just post on Google.
     
    Peter, Mar 9, 2009
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  4. That raises an interesting point: if you read newsgroups through Google
    Groups, do you have access to all the message headers? You really need
    to send these along with your complaint.


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    Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
    mostly pears.
    Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
    the product.
    Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

    (with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)
     
    David Nebenzahl, Mar 9, 2009
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  5. If help is needed, count me in ...

    Claudio Bonavolta
    http://www.bonavolta.ch
     
    Claudio Bonavolta, Mar 9, 2009
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  6. David Nebenzahl

    Peter Guest

    I don't know. In the past when I try to see the source of a message
    Google will sometimes allow that. Just now, when I tried to reach for
    yours, it said try again later. At other times I have gotten other
    odd results.
     
    Peter, Mar 9, 2009
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  7. Count me in, too.

    Craig Schroeder
    craig nospam craigschroeder com
     
    Craig Schroeder, Mar 9, 2009
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  8. David Nebenzahl

    sreenath Guest

    I also use google groups to read this newsgroup.
    Let me know what is to be done.

    -Sreenath
     
    sreenath, Mar 11, 2009
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  9. So far it looks like we have 8 people, including Richard K. who hasn't
    responded but who already reports spammers to Google. Does anyone think
    this is enough to get started, or should we wait for a few more to "sign
    up"?


    --
    Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
    mostly pears.
    Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
    the product.
    Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

    (with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)
     
    David Nebenzahl, Mar 11, 2009
    #9
  10. I've been reporting for some time. Either those reports finally
    added up or your project has worked. I've not seen any more Chinese
    dog beds or fake watches advertised for several days. No doubt they'll
    be back, but at least for the present there is some peace.
    Now, we need to figure out a way to get people back to film and
    chemical photography.
     
    Richard Knoppow, Mar 17, 2009
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  11. David Nebenzahl

    K W Hart Guest

    I've been reporting (spam) for some time. Either those reports finally
    added up or your project has worked. I've not seen any more Chinese
    dog beds or fake watches advertised for several days. No doubt they'll
    be back, but at least for the present there is some peace.
    Now, we need to figure out a way to get people back to film and
    chemical photography.
    --
    Richard Knoppow



    I have been getting back to film and chemical photography-- I've been
    photographing dogs wearing fake watches while sleeping in Chinese dog beds!
    Unfortunately, it's been difficult lately finding places to get the fake
    watches and Chinese dog beds....
    (Sorry, Richard, it's just my strange sense of humor!)
     
    K W Hart, Mar 17, 2009
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  12. David Nebenzahl

    Lloyd at Guest


    March 17, 2009, from Lloyd Erlick,

    A friend of mine switched to digital some
    time ago, and just the other day was
    remarking that darkroom paper prints looked
    so much better than digital output, and there
    was no getting around it. This after years of
    making giant digital prints in his giant
    Epson number so and so printer. He even asked
    me if I'd like to have his printer! For free,
    that is, just remove it from his place. The
    inksets were only about eight hundred dollars
    [C$] ...

    So maybe film and chemical darkroom work will
    work their magic all on their own.

    regards,
    --le
     
    Lloyd at , Mar 17, 2009
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  13. David Nebenzahl

    Lloyd at Guest



    March 17, 2009, from Lloyd Erlick,

    This could be the solution. Use each spam as
    a photo or illustration assignment. Mock them
    to eath.

    regards,
    --le
     
    Lloyd at , Mar 17, 2009
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