Quote from CEO of Kodak

Discussion in 'Kodak' started by hydro, Feb 1, 2006.

  1. hydro

    Guest Guest

    I'm not sure which part of the story is unbelievable.

    Plenty of people in China have mobile phones
    (http://www.theregister.com/2004/06/07/china_mobile_phone/)
    Presumably a percentage of those phones have cameras.

    Bamboo is still widely used in China for a variety of purposes,
    presumably including fishing rods.
    (http://www.midcurrent.com/articles/gear/morgan_bamboorods.aspx)

    Asian people have been known to conduct business.

    Lots of bikes in China.
     
    Guest, Feb 7, 2006
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  2. hydro

    Mr.T Guest

    All very true. It could be done, but sure as hell isn't.
    Tell us how much he gets for that fish, and what all the items cost there,
    including the cost of the phone calls.
    (I sure hope mobile call costs are cheaper in China than Australia, or he
    would be making a loss for sure.)
    In fact the Chinese who are the main users of all the new technology are
    business men. Some may even own a fish market, cannery, fleet of boats etc,
    but I *seriously* doubt they catch each fish by hand themselves and deliver
    it personally on their push bike.
    You are quite welcome to believe whatever you like though. Santa Claus and
    the Easter Bunny are still popular too I believe.

    MrT.
     
    Mr.T, Feb 7, 2006
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  3. hydro

    Guest Guest

    To illustrate the shift, Perez recounts a story told to him by a Kodak
    executive. In Shanghai a man was seen catching a fish with a crude bamboo
    rod. "All of a sudden he reaches in his pocket and takes a picture of the
    fish," says Perez, gesturing excitedly. "Immediately he makes a call, sends
    the picture and then he's talking to someone to make a deal. He gets the
    fish on his bike and goes to deliver the fish."

    Just been speaking to the Easter Bunny and he point out a few things --

    There is no indication of who the man is -- he might be a professional
    fisherman
    (unlikely, but not impossible), a peasant fisherman, a taxi driver on his
    day off,
    a part-time Santa Clause impersonator, or even a Kodak executive.

    There are no details of the deal -- it could have been "If you cook the
    rice,
    I'll supply the fish". No mention ewas made of a profit motive.

    Population of Shanghai is over 9 million.

    One in 4 people in China have a mobile phone.

    Overall, I'd say there's room for credibility for the anecdote.
     
    Guest, Feb 7, 2006
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  4. hydro

    Guest Guest

    I agree that your interpretation of the anecdote is unlikely,
    but you may be jumping to one or two conclusions.
    The man with the fishing pole could easily be a taxi-driver
    on his day off (or a part-time Easter Bunny impersonator,
    or a busy local Kodak executive taking time off to relax).
    The deal could be non-commercial ("You cook the rice,
    I'll supply the fish"). There's not enough detail to suggest
    that the anecdote is implausible.
     
    Guest, Feb 7, 2006
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  5. hydro

    Noons Guest

    Ever lived in China?
     
    Noons, Feb 7, 2006
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  6. hydro

    Guest Guest

    Nup. It could be entirely populated by Easter Bunnies for all I know.
     
    Guest, Feb 7, 2006
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  7. hydro

    Noons Guest


    Eggzaktly!
     
    Noons, Feb 7, 2006
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  8. hydro

    hyperoglyphe Guest

    Ever worked on a fishing boat? It would want to be one impressive fish to
    waste a call and immediately deliver.

    But that's not the most whacky part of this story.

    What professional fisherman packs up and does a delivery when the fish start
    biting?

    Dave
     
    hyperoglyphe, Feb 7, 2006
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  9. hydro

    Noons Guest

    ROFL!

    Too true...
     
    Noons, Feb 7, 2006
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  10. hydro

    Guest Guest

    I had another read of the CEO's anecdote
    ( http://tinyurl.com/b8k7p )
    and can't see any reference to a 'professional fisherman'.
    "In Shanghai a man was seen catching a fish with a crude bamboo rod."
    Could be an off-duty taxi driver, a farmer, a visiting American
    Kodak executive gone native, or possibly Santa Claus.
    The "deal" referred to could be along the lines of "You cook the rice, I'll
    supply the fish". Did the Kodak executive who relayed the anecdote
    actually hear the conversation? And if he did, could he understand
    the language? Probably just jumping to conclusions. The "five different
    generations of supply chain" is probably the way a CEO of a major
    multinational corporation sees the world, or a bit of hyperbole.

    Or just possibly there is a demand for fish that hasn't been frozen and
    packaged and handled by five generations of supply chain, and there'd
    be people who make enough money out of supplying that demand to
    individual customers to be able to afford a mobile phone with camera.
    At 4.8 US cents per minute for calls
    (http://www.chinanex.com/service/cellphone.htm),
    they could still make a profit.

    My point is that the anecdote is vague and there are too many ifs
    to claim that the scenario as described (Shanghai man catches fish,
    makes mobile call, rides off on bike) is unbelievable.
     
    Guest, Feb 7, 2006
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  11. hydro

    Mr.T Guest

    You have this back to front. The anecdote is vague and there are too many
    ifs
    and buts to claim that the scenario as described is *Believable*. (possible
    sure, so is E.T.)
    That's exactly how urban myths get started. And highly paid CEO's know just
    how gullible people are, or they wouldn't be *SO* highly paid!

    MrT.
     
    Mr.T, Feb 8, 2006
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  12. hydro

    Guest Guest

    OK, now that we agree that the details are vague
    are you sticking to your earlier statement --
    "All very true. It could be done, but sure as hell isn't." ?

    I'm not trying to defend the Kodak CEO, just wondering why
    his anecdote is being dismissed out of hand. Perhaps you're
    imagining the subject of the anecdote as being a high-flying
    wheeler-dealer and I imagine him as an ordinary bloke.
     
    Guest, Feb 8, 2006
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  13. hydro

    Mr.T Guest

    That's the problem, do you know how the "ordinary blokes" in China actually
    live?
    OTOH it may well be true if the CEO was the one who donated the mobile phone
    just to make a story.
    It happens all too often. I'd still put my money on pure B.S. though, that
    happens even more often.

    MrT.
     
    Mr.T, Feb 8, 2006
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  14. hydro

    hyperoglyphe Guest

    Terrible oversight on my part. How about:
    "What fisherman packs up and goes home just when the fish start biting?"

    The story is not vague when seen as a marketing metaphore, juxtaposing old
    and new technology.

    Dare I suggest that Kodak are trying to say that like dynamic China, they
    are savvy enough to retain old but good technology, seamlessly adapting to
    the new
    when needed by their legion of smiling customers. Waving panda flags
    perhaps?
    Only vague if you are talking about fishing. Crystal clear if you interpret
    it as a CEO scrambling to re-capture market share after another blunder.

    If you don't see this, do ya wanna buy a bridge? Looks like a coat hangar.
    It's a bargain

    Dave
    The smiley impaired
     
    hyperoglyphe, Feb 8, 2006
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  15. hydro

    Guest Guest

    Thanks Dave, at last an answer to my question.
    It's the fact that the guy went home after catching a fish
    that makes the anecdote unbelievable. Looks like I've
    got heaps to learn about fishing!

    Why are you trying to sell the bridge?
     
    Guest, Feb 8, 2006
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