R.I.P. rec.video.production

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Bob Ford, Sep 23, 2009.

  1. Bob Ford

    Bob Ford Guest

    It saddens me that this newsgroup has descended to what it is today.
    I shouldn't be too surprised as I think this may be happening to all
    newsgroups.

    I don't know where people have gone to as Facebook and Twitter etc.
    are not places where I intend to hang out and waste my time.

    Time was, and not that long ago when this was an excellent place for
    exchanging information, learning from each other and even buying and
    selling good used Pro equipment.

    Now it appears that it is nothing more than a bulletin board for some
    asshole spammer in China or wherever to use up the bandwidth with his
    crapola.

    I lost my access to usenet through AT&T when they dropped that part of
    their service and have been using a 90 day free trial APN account from
    Forte. I regret to say that when that expires, I will be history to
    this group.

    I miss you Farnsworth, Larry in AZ and some others who used to have
    interesting things to say.
    No, I DON'T miss Conduit ;-^)
     
    Bob Ford, Sep 23, 2009
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  2. I, also, lost my access through ATT (may they burn in hell).
    I'm going through eternal september.org.... you can't use an
    ATT email address to sign up, but the newsgroup server is
    fast and free... once I got set up, I don't notice any difference.

    The deal on the email address is supposedly that ATT bounces
    the eternal september messages... I created a gmail account and
    I use it solely for newsgroup access.
    __
    Steve
    ..
     
    Stephen Cowell, Sep 23, 2009
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  3. Bob Ford

    Bob Ford Guest

    Steve, I appreciate the suggestion but if I wanted to continue having
    access to usenet, the APN account with Forte works fine and it's
    fairly cheap, only $2.95 per month.

    From what I have seen on this and other groups in the last several
    months I won't miss usenet. In my opinion it's a dead horse that
    hasn't fallen over yet :)
    Bob Ford
    Images In Motion
    www.imagesinmotion.com
     
    Bob Ford, Sep 23, 2009
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  4. I could also take this chance to plug news.individual.net which is run
    by the University of Berlin. I use it and have seen almost none of the
    spam of which you speak. 10 Euros per year, pay by Visa or Paypal. Text
    groups only, though, no binaries. Remove the spam, add a couple of
    posters to the killfile, and the groups are still useful.

    I know the anti-spam works by checking through another server, and I
    lose virtually no useful posts.
     
    John Williamson, Sep 23, 2009
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  5. Bob Ford

    Bob Ford Guest

    Well thanks for this suggestion also but it's not just the spam and
    crap.

    There is not much of any significant value posted on the group and
    most of the people who used to have intelligent things to contribute
    are now gone.

    Did I mention Bill Farnsworth, Larry Jandro and a lot of others?
    The few postings pertaining to video are mostly from some newbie
    wanting some pro to do the research for him to help him pick out a
    handycam.
    Bob Ford
    Images In Motion
    www.imagesinmotion.com
     
    Bob Ford, Sep 23, 2009
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  6. Bob Ford

    Larry in AZ Guest

    My newsgroup spam filters are very good, which means that most of the time I
    look here, there's nothing posted.

    Yep - Usenet will soon be history. It's all "Blogs" now.

    Adios, my friend..!
     
    Larry in AZ, Sep 23, 2009
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  7. Bob Ford

    Jerry Guest

    : On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:48:17 -0500, "Stephen Cowell"
    :
    : >
    : >> I lost my access to usenet through AT&T when they dropped
    that part of
    : >> their service and have been using a 90 day free trial APN
    account from
    : >> Forte. I regret to say that when that expires, I will be
    history to
    : >> this group.
    : >
    : >I, also, lost my access through ATT (may they burn in hell).
    : >I'm going through eternal september.org.... you can't use an
    : >ATT email address to sign up, but the newsgroup server is
    : >fast and free... once I got set up, I don't notice any
    difference.
    : >
    : >The deal on the email address is supposedly that ATT bounces
    : >the eternal september messages... I created a gmail account
    and
    : >I use it solely for newsgroup access.
    : >__
    : >Steve
    :
    : Steve, I appreciate the suggestion but if I wanted to continue
    having
    : access to usenet, the APN account with Forte works fine and
    it's
    : fairly cheap, only $2.95 per month.
    :
    : From what I have seen on this and other groups in the last
    several
    : months I won't miss usenet. In my opinion it's a dead horse
    that
    : hasn't fallen over yet :)
    : Bob Ford
    : Images In Motion
    : www.imagesinmotion.com

    Can I butt in please, I'm also with eternal-september.org and I
    also remember the great days of this and other Usenet *.video.*
    groups, my own [1] uk. group is all but dead (not even spam,
    perhaps we could all head over there!...), but I don't see all
    the spam you must be seeing - unless you have a *very* low
    tolerance level - it could be that the server used by your APN
    account doesn't do any filtering it's self, thus you are getting
    is basically a raw Usenet feed, eternal-september.org implement
    basic to good spam filtering. It's free, an accommodation gmail
    address is free, try it, what have you got to loose?

    Failing that, and if you don't mind web based forums, check out
    the Creative Cow, <http://forums.creativecow.net/>, quirky
    interface to the forums (and real names REQUIRED) but a **LOT**
    of very useful content, even a free magazine (hard copy for those
    in the USA, .pdf file for those not), podcasts, blogs and more.

    [1] native country and founding member of the group
     
    Jerry, Sep 23, 2009
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  8. Bob Ford

    ushere Guest

    this is very true. for all my equipment; cameras, software, nle's, ps,
    etc., there are now dedicated forums, some 'watched' by the
    manufacturers / program writers, etc., in it's day this, and similar
    ng's were a veritable mine of information and help - now, well there's
    not much point asking any 'serious' question here since most pro's are
    now deeply involved in their relevant forums.

    everything has it's moment in the sun. rvp is in it's twilight.
     
    ushere, Sep 23, 2009
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  9. That's true, but I find that unless it's something *really* esoteric, I
    can find the answer by using a search engine. I suspect most of the
    people who are "switched on" will be doing the same, so as a learning
    tool, usenet is indeed falling behind in some ways. However, if it *is*
    something way out of the ordinary that can't be found using a search
    engine, then the fact that this group isn't tightly focussed on a
    particular brand or program, as the forums tend to be, can be an
    advantage, with people suggesting stuff that's worked elsewhere.

    Google groups search, by the way, returns 8,110 mentions of Bill
    Farnsworth linked to the word video (Possibly not all the Bill
    Farnsworth you've mentioned) posting or being replied to in various
    groups, so most, if not all, of what he wrote can still be retrieved
    easily, which means there's no real reason for him to re-write it over
    and over again. It would be a shame if all the experts stopped reading
    the groups because there's not much new being written, and could very
    well make the impending death of usenet a self fulfilling prophecy.

    The ones that ask "What camera/ microphone/ lights/ new toy should I
    buy?" will be with us always, and quite often, the appropriate answer is
    "JFGI!" In the same way, running a decent filter will get rid of the
    posts about Chinese imitation leather watches. On the other hand, if I
    ask on a Canon forum about the best way to do a particular job, nobody's
    likely to suggest a Panasonic or a Fuji camera, even if either would be
    much better *for that job* than any Canon. Or I could log on to a
    general video forum after faffing about registering, and get much the
    same answers as I'd get on this group.

    Usenet will only die if we, the users, let it. Although Google seem to
    be having a good try at killing it off.

    Just my opinion, mind, which might not be worth two pence....
     
    John Williamson, Sep 23, 2009
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  10. Bob Ford

    Ty Ford Guest

    Bob,

    Some have gone to CreativeCow.Net

    Regards,

    Ty Ford


    --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
    Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
    Guitar player?:
     
    Ty Ford, Sep 23, 2009
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  11. Bob Ford

    Bob Ford Guest

    I think he was in the S.F. Bay Area where I am.
    I'm thinking his vehicle was the 50's Jeepster station wagon with all
    the antenna's on it.

    Didn't he get ran over by an Oakland Fire Dept. fire truck while
    covering a dumpster fire???? ;-^)
     
    Bob Ford, Sep 24, 2009
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  12. Bob Ford

    SamToto Guest

    ATT can blow me!

    http://www.eternal-september.org/ FREE!
    It works fine but no binaries, which I don't care about.

    Newsgroups have lost users to web forums which is a real shame. Usenet is far
    faster and easy to use. It's bit technical for some to grasp, but worth the
    effort. Web forums are SLOW and cluttered with avatars and images.
     
    SamToto, Sep 25, 2009
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