r.p.e.35mm: Code Of Ethics

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Dallas, Jun 29, 2004.

  1. Dallas

    Dallas Guest

    Just thought of something that might be useful to the group.

    What if we set up a code of ethics for regular participants on this group
    to adopt? Those participants who abide by the code of ethics would be easy
    to spot simply by having their name and ISP details appear on a web page
    hosted someplace. Kind of like a database of names and identifiable headers.

    I would imagine that those of us who agree to abide by the code could
    allude to our compliance by adding a link to that page in our signatures.
    Any spoofing would be very easily ID'd by the content of message, as well
    as comparing the post headers with those on the hosted page (if there was
    ever any doubt about whether the post was from the real person or not).

    The code shouldn't be anything too heavy. I mean, it shouldn't prevent
    anyone from speaking their mind or flaming the odd troll (or TP), but
    moreover it should be a simple credo that binds us to a common purpose,
    namely helping each other with our photography, and not throwing up stupid
    "puppets" to cause mayhem and confusion, continuously insulting others, or
    initiating any other miscreant behaviour.

    This page could also have a section on how to set up filters to deal with
    known trolls and other morons; list their preferred handles, MO's and
    suchlike info.

    It might not make the idiot go away, but it would certainly help newbies
    sort the wheat from the chaff.

    Thoughts?
     
    Dallas, Jun 29, 2004
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  2. Dallas

    Mark M Guest

    Hmmm... How about the Cub Scout promise...

    I (name) promise to do my duty...to God and country...to help other
    people...and to obey the law of the pack.

    :)
     
    Mark M, Jun 29, 2004
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  3. Dallas

    Dallas Guest

    Mark M said:

    Well I was never in the Cubs or Scouts, so I can't say I know much about
    their promise.

    What I am thinking about is just a simple page or two that describes the
    regulars on here, gives a bit of information about them and their posting
    particulars (in other words, which service they use so that if they are
    ever spoofed, it would be easy to pick up).

    We had something similar on the rec.autos.sport.f1 group (Formula One
    Racing) - in fact it was a fully fledged website put together by the
    regulars on the group, giving info about the people who frequented the
    group, meetings of participants, etc. I think the URL was www.rasf1.org
    but that may have changed.

    As far as a credo goes, I would think a simple promise to bring a positive
    spirit to the group would suffice. There are some really good people
    contributing here - I wouldn't know half of the things I have learned over
    the past four years if it wasn't for this group, so if I can do something
    to put back the spirit of the community we have formed, I would be more
    than willing to do so.

    In fact, I am starting to think that a group website would probably be a
    very good thing for rpe35mm.
     
    Dallas, Jun 30, 2004
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  4. Dallas

    Sabineellen Guest

    It has to address any privacy concerns if such a thing is to be done, and has
    to be completely voluntary for people to wanna have their names put in, though
    involuntarily identifying trollish sources could be justified, with caution
    'cos sometimes people seem to get irate and appear trigger-happy to accuse
    others of trolling.


    I agree.
    I think it'd be good if the points above about voluntary appearance on the
    website or grounds for involuntary listing are carefully met.
     
    Sabineellen, Jun 30, 2004
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    Bandicoot Guest

    Hear hear - a 'shared' website sounds a fine idea, and would help us to
    reassure the ocassional newbie who asks an innocent question and gets flamed
    by some troll *hole before they ever get a helpful answer from some one who
    actually has a life and therefore isn't on the group 24/7 like some of the
    looser trolls seem to be. [end rant]

    Who would set up and host such a site though?


    Peter
     
    Bandicoot, Jun 30, 2004
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  6. Dallas

    Sabineellen Guest

    The question is... here's a newbie coming to the group, the regulars are away,
    the trolls are around and rabid, how does the newbie find out about the site?
     
    Sabineellen, Jul 1, 2004
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  7. Dallas

    Steve Young Guest

    someone said this:

    I have a real slick way that I'll show you, when there is something *really*
    important to post (I know it works, as I've tested it :)
     
    Steve Young, Jul 1, 2004
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  8. Dallas

    Bandicoot Guest

    Best one can do is the sort of belated "hey don't go, we're not all like
    that" post that we do now and hope to catch them - but at least directing
    them to such a site would reassure them that it was true, and maybe give
    them the tools to remove the trolls from their future experience of the
    group.


    Peter
     
    Bandicoot, Jul 1, 2004
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  9. Dallas

    Alan Browne Guest

    Most newbies aren't as naive as we sometimes tend to think. Most
    know there has to be a core of decency and they will be patient
    enough to find it. Those who aren't patient enough, well, too bad.

    If websapce is required for a charter page and a "Guide to
    r.p.e.35mm" I will hapilly donate it.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Jul 1, 2004
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  10. Dallas

    Dallas Guest

    Alan Browne said:
    Sounds promising.

    I think this may work. I think that if people who want to be taken
    seriously on the group would like their details put on a site, they would
    have to email a self composed biography to the appointed webmaster.

    These details don't have to contain any personal contact information, just
    a brief synopsis of your involvement in photography; your level of
    expertise; the type of equipment you use; your method of posting to the
    group (in other words, what reader you use, your ISP header, etc - this
    information will help others tell if a post under your name is genuine or
    not).

    People who are helping to promote the group should add the URL for this
    website to their signatures so that every post they make provides a useful
    reference point for newbies keen on seeking out more information about
    this "madhouse" we call rpe35mm!

    Other pages could contain links to the Shoot-in, the Rulz page, an FAQ,
    essays or really good posts (like the ones Lewis sometimes makes), etc.

    I will see what I can do about getting sponsorship for a domain name and
    forwarding if you can provide webspace Alan. Mail me off the group if you
    are keen on getting it going.
     
    Dallas, Jul 1, 2004
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  11. Dallas

    Sabineellen Guest

    Excellent point, Dallas.
     
    Sabineellen, Jul 2, 2004
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  12. Dallas

    Bouser Guest

    Good thought, but the people who will pay attention to it are the ones who
    don't have to. Trolls, pathetic losers they are, will ignore it, and in the
    end, no change.

    What we really need to do is find something for the assholes to do and keep
    them occupied. I'm amazed at how much time they spend trying to torment us,
    only to be totally ignored. Truly pathetic.
     
    Bouser, Jul 2, 2004
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  13. Dallas

    Bouser Guest

    Any chance of participants sort of, err, stretching the truth? Not sure if
    this could work.
     
    Bouser, Jul 2, 2004
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  14. Dallas

    Dallas Guest

    Bouser said:
    Unfortunately we could never ratify the "truth" according to some people,
    but if lying about yourself is part of the package, then so be it.

    The point of the bios would only be to serve as an introduction to newbies
    who want more info about the group and its participants.

    Also, purely voluntary.
     
    Dallas, Jul 2, 2004
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  15. Dallas

    Alan Browne Guest

    "Any chance?" --- some already stretch the truth in this NG
    every *week*.

    I concur with Dallas: If people want to live a lie then the lie
    will serve them appropriately.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Jul 2, 2004
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  16. Dallas

    Alan Browne Guest

    Dallas,

    you should have received the e-mail by now with the link for the
    strawman version of the page (sent to the dallas1 at t____a.co.za
    address)... if not, send me an e-mail.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Jul 2, 2004
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  17. Dallas

    Peter Chant Guest

    I think that people are only very slowly getting better than ignoring
    them. That's probally why the've been around so long.
     
    Peter Chant, Jul 3, 2004
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  18. Dallas

    Dallas Guest

    Alan Browne said:
    Got it, Alan, thanks.

    Will respond as soon as I have a spare moment.
     
    Dallas, Jul 3, 2004
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