-R versus +R. I Don't Care. Just want to know who won.

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Westie, Sep 29, 2003.

  1. Westie

    Westie Guest

    I don't care about the benefits of -R or +R.

    I recently bought a Dell system with a DVD+R/W drive and I have now
    discovered that I can only get a intermittent supply of blank DVD+RW media.
    No DVD+R media is available. This is bad and probably means that I'll now
    have to buy another new drive.

    Did -R win the war?
     
    Westie, Sep 29, 2003
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  2. Westie

    Will Dormann Guest


    What are you talking about? Both types of media are readily available.



    -WD
     
    Will Dormann, Sep 29, 2003
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  3. Both types are available at our big-box discount warehouse:
    -R and +R side by side. Which is pretty unusual because
    they don't offer a selection of much of anything else! :)
     
    Richard Crowley, Sep 29, 2003
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  4. Westie

    FLY135 Guest

    DVD-RAM definitely didn't.
     
    FLY135, Sep 29, 2003
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  5. Westie

    Jerry Jones Guest

    DVD-RAM definitely didn't.

    Actually, DVD-RAM is just one of the three formats
    (DVD-R/DVD-RW/DVD-RAM) supported by the DVD Forum, the organization
    described at this link...

    http://www.dvdforum.com/forum.shtml

    Moreover, DVD-RAM appears to be ahead of its DVD+RW rival in some key
    product areas:

    DVD DISC CAMCORDERS

    Examples:

    1. Panasonic VDR-M30 DVD disc camcorder:

    http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webap...oupId=11299&modelNo=VDR-M30&surfModel=VDR-M30

    2. Hitachi CRD10 DVD disc camcorder:

    http://www.hdal.com/products/products.ihtml?step=3&pid=1066&parent=51

    3. Hitachi DZMV350A:

    http://www.hitachi.ca/product_details.asp?PID=275

    DVD PLAYER/RECORDERS

    As the news release at the following link reveals, the sales of new
    generation DVD player/recorders with DVD-RAM capability captured 70%
    of the market during the first quarter of 2003:

    http://www.digitalproducer.com/2003/06_jun/news/06_16/npd0617.htm

    Nearly all of Panasonic's stand alone player models picture at this
    link...

    http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webap...toreId=11251&catalogId=11005&catGroupId=11059

    ....will read DVD-RAM discs.

    Moreover, Thomson DVD players (GE & RCA brands) will feature DVD-RAM
    playback beginning in 2004 as this news release reveals:

    http://www.thomson.net/gb/06/c03/030828.htm

    In addition, many other manufacturers are marketing player/recorders
    with DVD-RAM support.

    They include...

    1. Toshiba's new D-R1 player/recorder:

    http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/dvr/product.asp?model=D-R1

    2. Samsung's DVD-R3000 player/recorder:

    http://www.samsung.com/Products/DVDPlayer/DVDRecorder/DVDPlayer_DVDRecorder_DVD_R3000.htm

    3. JVC's new DR-M1:

    http://www.jvc-victor.co.jp/dvd/dr-m1/

    There are no camcorders based on the DVD+RW format, to my knowledge.

    If anything, DVD-RAM appears to be winning the re-writable format
    category.

    Jerry Jones
    http://www.jonesgroup.net
     
    Jerry Jones, Sep 30, 2003
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    un8bf Guest

    Read a recent doom9 article that +R will probably win out. Cheaper to
    manufacture, coding less complex, whatever. It took several months
    for 4x media to be readily available at my local Sam's Club for around
    $1.60 per in a 30 pack. BTW, the article further wrote that 8x dvd
    burners and media soon to be offered.
     
    un8bf, Sep 30, 2003
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    Pete D Guest

    Jerry,

    Great answer to a question that was never asked.
     
    Pete D, Sep 30, 2003
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    Samuel Paik Guest

    The last report I read, DVD+R has a slightly larger market share
    than DVD-R. Locally (northern Virginia), DVD+R and DVD-R are about
    equally available--retailers like CompUSA, Best Buy, Staples, OfficeDepot,
    etc all carry both about equally. DVD+RW and DVD-RW media are a little
    less common.

    Sam
     
    Samuel Paik, Sep 30, 2003
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    AnthonyR Guest

    I think he meant there are no DVD-RAM disc's available at the local Big
    wholesale store, because demand is low for DVD-RAM still.

    I feel bad for those early adaptors who spend thousands on one of those
    dvd-ram camcorders you put links to, cause in a few years they will have a
    even harder time finding disc's when sony and philips start making +RW or
    +VR, as the alliance calls it, DVD Camcorders.
    But DV tape is still a better way to go for a camcorder anyway.

    Maybe a blue laser DVD camcorder that uses less compression like a 5:1 ratio
    like dv tape does would compete well with dv camcorders.
    But only time will tell.

    AnthonyR
     
    AnthonyR, Sep 30, 2003
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  10. Westie

    Westie Guest

    Thank you everyone for responding.
    I'll clarify it a little for you.
    Yes, it is DVD+R and DVD+RW blank media that I am talking about.
    I live in New Zealand.
    Without bothering with names of stores, I have checked all the large bulk
    warehouse type stores, the local computer/electronics stores, the retail
    electrical goods and appliance stores and anythingelse I could think of. I
    was lucky to find one store that had a two Mitsubishi DVD+RW disks in stock.
    I have searched in two cities. The common response to my question is along
    the lines of "Don't you mean -R?" followed by "I don't know, head office
    policy I would assume.
    All of these stores had DVD-R and DVD-RW available. In some cases there
    were rows and rows of -R/W displayed.
    My next step is to find the media on-line but I wanted to see if it was
    worthwhile first so I asked this question here.
     
    Westie, Sep 30, 2003
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    Trevor S Guest


    In Aus and NZ +R/RW is certinaly not a large portion of "the market". As a
    percentage of the worldwide market though, ours is insignificant.

    As to the better rewritable format, stick with -RAM, for write once just go
    with whatever your player supports :)

    --
    Trevor S


    "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
    -Albert Einstein
     
    Trevor S, Oct 1, 2003
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  12. Westie

    AnthonyR Guest

    Don't worry, they'll carry more as people keep asking for them, and the
    demand goes up. The same thing happenned here in Brooklyn, NYC.
    Last year, I couldn't find any DVD+R in the wiz, (a chain electronic store)
    and plenty of DVD-R, plus sales clerk's kept asking what are you talking
    about? you mean -R, same thing you are experiencing. Now, it's a year later,
    and +R and +RW is readily available everywhere! And onsale and cheap!
    Actually now I have a dual format burner so it don't matter to me as much
    but I still prefer +RW for backups rather than -RW.
    And I feel absolutely no need to go buy a -RAM drive for any reason.

    AnthonyR.
     
    AnthonyR, Oct 1, 2003
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    Steve King Guest

    What advantages do you feel +RW has?

    Steve King
     
    Steve King, Oct 1, 2003
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  14. Westie

    AnthonyR Guest

    Well, mainly the +RW disk can erase on the fly, so i don't need to wait for
    that to re-use a disk, and the first generation +RW's were all 2.4x speed
    compared to the 1x speed of the -RW's, but I guess that has changed with
    faster -RW drives.
    Like I said now I have a Pioneer 106 combo unit, so I use +RW to backup data
    I guess out of habit. For write once media, both work just as well for me.

    AnthonyR
     
    AnthonyR, Oct 1, 2003
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  15. Westie

    AnthonyR Guest

    Also i just did a quick search, there are lots of articles stating the plus
    is better, it was actually designed by the alliance to compete with the
    dvd-ram disk.
    So i guess its a step above -RW and a little behind -RAM, just right. :)

    http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/113

    AnthonyR
     
    AnthonyR, Oct 1, 2003
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    Steve King Guest

    Thanks.

    Steve King
     
    Steve King, Oct 1, 2003
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