Railway enthusiasts photo petition

Discussion in 'UK Photography' started by Tim Rogers, Jun 8, 2008.

  1. Tim Rogers

    Tim Rogers Guest

    I thought some here may wish to sign this petition:

    http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/railenthusiasts/

    For many year railway enthusiasts have been able to enjoyed their hobby on
    railway stations without hinderance, this includes taking photographs of
    trains.

    A set of 'guidelines' has been issued which require enthusiasts to sign in
    when on stations when conducting their hobby. However, many enthusiasts are
    still being harrassed on stations by 'jobsworth' type security guards.

    I petition is to register the strength of feeling that some enthusiasts feel
    about this.

    I know it's easy to think it's just a load of trainspotters but there you
    go!!!

    Tim
     
    Tim Rogers, Jun 8, 2008
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    Alan Wrigley Guest

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    It may just be trainspotters but it's symptomatic of what's happening
    generally regarding the attitude of the public and officials towards
    photographers.

    Alan
     
    Alan Wrigley, Jun 8, 2008
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    Chris H Guest

    To be fair railways and stations are private property. Also you are
    photographing a specific item which includes (usualy ) trade marks.

    You would need a model release or permission to photograph of sorts
    anyway.

    More to the point ever since WW1 the rail system has been considered of
    vital and strategic importance. I think photographing some rail bridges
    was always an offence.

    What has changed is the level of paranoia of jobsworth's.

    Given google earth, multi map, streetmap etc. satellite imaging that was
    only available to governments 30 years ago is now on every desktop. IT
    does make it somewhat irrelevant to stop people photographing trains.

    Especially when most of the technical details and photos of the trains
    are on the web sites of the manufacturers and operators.

    Any real terrorist is going to turn up with some decent fake ID and sign
    the register, then quietly and unobtrusively photo graph what he needs
    whilst the real train spotters are protesting and arguing,

    I wanted some train photos so I went to New Street in Brum, asked at the
    ticket barrier was given a free platform ticket and tool to snap
    away.... This was in 2007 so it was recent. I could not use the photos
    as we wanted to use them on some company flyers and we did not have
    permission...

    Only once have I been stopped taking photographs in the street. 2 years
    ago in Brussels. I was photographing some nice Art Nuevo buildings when
    a pretty Police women with a machin-gun started hanging around. A few
    minutes later she was joined by a couple more.

    The approached me and asked to see what I was doing. They asked be to
    delete *some* of the pictures. Any with them in or a non-descript
    modern concrete building opposite the corner of the ones I was
    interested in....

    It turned out it was a major bank (or the Belgium mint I forget ) and
    two minutes later police outriders, cars, armoured cars (military and
    security ones) appeared in the road and the security vans went straight
    into the Bank/mint.

    I can understand the Police did not want the details of that
    photographed or the identities of the Police photographed. It is not
    unknown for the families of Police and security guards to be held
    hostage.

    However these days due to the paranoia I carry the photographers rights
    PDF and the letter from the home office and a model release in the
    camera bag.

    Finally unless you are photographing some thing that really us under the
    Official Secrets Act Never delete the pictures.

    If they don't arrest you there is no need. If they do arrest you they
    are evidence. I will bet that 95% of the time the Police and PCSOs will
    get ti wrong.
     
    Chris H, Jun 8, 2008
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  4. I went through St. Pancras a while ago and wanted to take some photos.
    Spotted a couple of policemen and wondered what they would say when I
    whipped my 350D out. Not a word, and when I looked around I was
    astonished at the number of people taking photos with phones and P&S
    cameras.
     
    Peter Twydell, Jun 8, 2008
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    Tim Rogers Guest

    At St Pancras it is positively encouraged to take pictures as the job done
    on it is magnificent. Across the road at Kings Cross things could not be
    more different..................

    Tim
     
    Tim Rogers, Jun 8, 2008
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    darcy

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    Hi, does anyone know what kind of permission I would need to take photographs of the track and of rail bridges etc? I'm just looking to take some shots to use on my own website but I'm not sure who I would need to contact etc?:confused:
     
    darcy, Jun 16, 2008
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    Poldie Guest

    LOL! How things change!
     
    Poldie, Jul 1, 2008
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    Chris H Guest

    Actually not. It depends what you are moving. Whilst rail travel is not
    the main means of transport for the public, other than on commuter areas
    such as the London Tube (which has been a terrorist target)

    The rail network can be used to move lots of equipment and supplies
    quickly and with out the problems of traffic. Also far less obviously.

    A goods train gets little or no notice. a 200 truck convoy would do.

    Now we are back to taking out rail bridges to stop troop movements.
    Which is where spy's want photographs of bridges to know how to blow
    them up either by air raid of by saboteurs


    Though this is as you suggest less relevant these days in a terrorist
    war than in a conventional war.
     
    Chris H, Jul 2, 2008
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