RAW is WAR

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Guest, Oct 5, 2005.

  1. Another non-sequitur. I haven't seen even one of your images.
    If they are *great*, and they might well be, that will not
    improve your credibility one iota.

    Regardless, post or email me the URL for your webpage, and I'll
    be very pleased to look at your images. If you expect me to
    post criticism, you'll be out of luck. I won't do it. At most
    I'll point out which images I liked. The ones that don't hit my
    buttons, are probably meant for someone else...

    But lacking credibility and lacking the ability to understand
    and use graphs is *not* something that necessarily prevents you
    from taking great photographs. (Both would make it pretty
    difficult to discuss them though... :)
     
    Floyd Davidson, Oct 7, 2005
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  2. Why shouldn't it be? If you've been following the thread you'll see why
    there IS and SHOULD be a difference.

    hc
     
    Hugh Chaloner, Oct 7, 2005
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  3. Guest

    Guest Guest


    The course was 3 months ago and I have a calibrated monitor and camera
    profiles. Some of the others on the course (designers, photographers,
    printers) were also very confused about Adobe RGB and were told in no
    uncertain terms that it was a complete waste of time as the standard RGB
    printer is sRGB and so is the monitor and the camera, apparently it's the
    industry standard. We were also advised to set the defaults in Photoshop to
    the European Prepress settings except change the working space to sRGB and
    the intent to perceptual.
     
    Guest, Oct 7, 2005
    #43
  4. Guest

    Guest Guest

    NO THERE SHOULDN"T
     
    Guest, Oct 7, 2005
    #44
  5. whatever...
     
    Hugh Chaloner, Oct 7, 2005
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  6. Guest

    Cheryl Harms Guest

    Just for your information, I am, was and will continue to use the word
    novice in the loosest sense of the word. The only reason I used it at all
    was in an effort to be very humble. The fact is that I have been around
    photography, cameras, and darkrooms literally *all* of my life and I know
    what to look for in regards to whether an image is good or not. Being the
    daughter of a photographer who worked for a newspaper during WWII gives me a
    perspective that you could only dream about having. I have seen black and
    white work that is now 60 years old that put the images on your website to
    shame and then some. As far as I'm concerned, my mother was a consummate
    professional who, by the virtue of her sex, was denied a promising career in
    the field of photography simply because of the fact that many things were so
    dominated by men in those days that when the man whose place she was filling
    returned from the war, she no longer had a job. Many of the things I know
    about photography I learned at her side and am just now understanding the
    why of it all.
    ****NEVER**** presume to think that another person, of whom you know
    nothing, does not understand what life is about. YOU do not know what he
    or she has gone through or is dealing with and therefore you have absolutely
    no right to assume what he or she might understand! Do you, sir, understand
    the issues involved with bipolar depression? How about what it is like to
    have osteoarthritis in knees and fingers, asthma, fibromyalgia, migraine
    headaches, degenerative disc disease of the lower back, endometriosis,
    attention deficit disorder and an underactive thyroid gland? Do you
    understand what it is like having to scrimp and scrape together the money
    needed for your medication? Or how about this one; do you understand how it
    feels to have been a survivor of being molested as a young girl by not one
    but two different people and then being beaten by your father and so
    verbally abused that you don't think that anything you do is good enough for
    anyone? Have you ever had anyone tell you that you were ugly when you knew
    you weren't only to have them say "I was just joking"? Have you ever had
    anyone smash your dreams by saying you can either do this or this simply
    because they did not like the choices you were making? How about
    understanding the dynamics of living in a home where not just one person,
    but three out of four have bipolar depression and all four have add/adhd?

    Don't you even dare to assume that someone you are conversing with knows
    nothing about life! I've been on the rolls of the disabled for years and am
    now going to school to fully understand my heritage and the legacy of my
    photographer mother so that I can have a career and get back into the
    workforce. What I listed in the above paragraph are things and issues that I
    deal with every single day of my life. There are days that I have to get up
    in the morning and drag my backside out of bed simply because I have to keep
    going. Life is about putting one foot in front of the other no matter how
    much pain --whether it is physical pain like I have, mental pain like I
    have, or emotional pain like I have-- a person is in. Until you understand
    what it is like to have to pawn off things like your wedding rings to have
    money so that the lights aren't turned off or your kids have food to eat, do
    not ever presume, assume or decide that someone else doesn't know what life
    is about!!!

    I'd better be cutting this off now because it is long and because I am
    almost in tears now. You guys and your sanctimonious ideas of what life is
    about! Arguing over what equipment is better or who is more expert or
    professional! Why don't you all get a real ^*&%^&*% life? Why don't you try
    to understand how hard it is to go on living from one day to the next? I may
    only be 42 in chronological age but I have been through more of everything
    and lost more friends for more reasons than a person my age has a right to.

    And if you use a blasted point and shoot to get a photo, say it instead of
    making people think you used a really good camera!








    I've
     
    Cheryl Harms, Oct 7, 2005
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    McLeod Guest


    If it was such a great course, why are you still so unaware of what's
    going on?
     
    McLeod, Oct 7, 2005
    #47
  8. You seem to use a lot of words in the loosest sense. Or,
    nonsense.

    [All of your irrelevant personal whine deleted...]
    Is my old Nikon D1 with a 80-200mm f/2.8 ED AF zoom a good
    enough camera? How about my old Pentax K2DMD 35mm film camera,
    with a motor drive?

    I'm not sure which photo you are talking about. You mentioned
    the owl picture, but there are three of them. Two taken with a
    Sony FD-91 and one taken with a Nikon D1. All three images are
    fairly bad, because I just don't happen to have an 800mm lense.

    But, the fact that the pictures won't win a contest is not
    significant. They *do* show what a snowy owl looks like in an
    Arctic environment. Incidentally, "Ukpeagvik" is the Inupiat
    Eskimo name for Barrow, and means "Place to hunt snowy owls."
     
    Floyd Davidson, Oct 7, 2005
    #48
  9. Actually, there almost *has* to be. Just for starters, the RAW
    file has no white balance adjustment applied, and the JPEG
    must.
     
    Floyd Davidson, Oct 7, 2005
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    Cheryl Harms Guest

    Then hunt the damn things but don't show your bad photo to the whole world.
    We don't want to see them.

    ". Incidentally, "Ukpeagvik" is the Inupiat
     
    Cheryl Harms, Oct 7, 2005
    #50
  11. Those happen to be the most often commented on images on my
    website.

    Who are you to say which pictures of an area you've never seen
    are the right ones to describe the area?
     
    Floyd Davidson, Oct 7, 2005
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    Cheryl Harms Guest

    I guess it also means "since I have no life, I'll make it difficult for
    everyone else too."
     
    Cheryl Harms, Oct 7, 2005
    #52
  13. Guest

    McLeod Guest


    I think it's time to take your medication again.
     
    McLeod, Oct 7, 2005
    #53
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    Cheryl Harms Guest

    I never said they didn't show the area because they do. My comment is on the
    ___quality___ of the photo. Based on that one, I'd never want to go visit
    the place. I'm glad that there are people like you, though, who enjoy
    getting their little tushes frozen off so as to bring even bad photos of an
    area to the rest of the world. Keep up the good work. ;-P
     
    Cheryl Harms, Oct 8, 2005
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  15. Guest

    Cheryl Harms Guest

    Take your own medicine. You can't have mine!

     
    Cheryl Harms, Oct 8, 2005
    #55
  16. Yes, it likely does. For example, in my d20, the default jpeg
    parameters in all modes but Av, Tv, and Manual use "Parameter 2" which
    ups Sharpness, Saturation, and Contrast. These settings aren't applied
    to RAW files.

    Neil
     
    Neil Birchler, Oct 8, 2005
    #56
  17. God, I love Usenet. Flamewars (on photography of all things) kick
    fucking ass. I'd love to jump in on the pissing contest, but alas, I
    only have 3 years of experience, not 40.

    Neil
     
    Neil Birchler, Oct 8, 2005
    #57
  18. I've gotta second this motion. I'm a clueless engineer by day and I
    seem to grasp color managment better than this nitwit.

    Neil
     
    Neil Birchler, Oct 8, 2005
    #58
  19. NO THERE SHOULDN"T

    You are not smart. It seems completely LOGICAL that an unprocessed (in
    camera) image would not look the same as a processed (in camera) one.
    You are either a complete fucktard or a troll. I'm starting to lean
    toward the latter.

    Neil
     
    Neil Birchler, Oct 8, 2005
    #59
  20. Guest

    Guest Guest


    Because I am pointing out the differences, in what should be, identical
    files.
     
    Guest, Oct 8, 2005
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