Re: Boycott Panasonic cameras - forced proprietary battery use infirmware

Discussion in 'Panasonic Lumix' started by ray, Jun 21, 2009.

  1. All I need is enough data for postprocessing to tell me later where
    the photo was taken. And that, given a certain infrastructure,
    is doable in 0.2 seconds.

    Of course that'll not help you if you want to do something else
    with your data and thus need the position now, not later.
    You can get a 2D fix with 2 sats.
    You might need some special gear for that, true.
    Netscape cares about the Fulda gap?

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 27, 2009
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  2. Yes, don't let facts confuse you, John. Don't start thinking
    how a GPS receiver can produce positions faster than one every
    30 seconds and how that works. And what would happen if you
    recreated the circumstances for that.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 27, 2009
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  3. ray

    Peter Guest


    Thanks, you've got me thinking.
     
    Peter, Jun 27, 2009
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  4. ray

    Guest Guest

    in my experience, if the gps has been off for less than an hour or two,
    it will get a fix within a couple of seconds.
     
    Guest, Jun 27, 2009
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    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 27, 2009
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  6. ray

    Guest Guest

    or they turn on the camera in the morning to get an initial fix, and
    then the rest of the day are all hot fixes that take seconds not tens
    of seconds. and don't say nonsense because i've done exactly that.

    or they get the gps device that doesn't need a fix at all because it
    post-processes the data.
    and as has been noted before, battery drain is a non-issue as there are
    gps devices that can go nearly 2 days non-stop, far longer than anyone
    would be shooting photos. plus, as has been mentioned in this thread,
    the gps could go into a low power mode, maintaining enough data so that
    it can get an instant fix when needed.
    or a bluetooth gps.
     
    Guest, Jun 30, 2009
    #66
  7. ray

    Guest Guest

    i have. thanks for asking though.
    nope what?
    and if the camera is off for 'weeks at a time' then one would expect
    the gps to also be turned off. or the device plugs into the camera and
    turns itself off when the camera is off. plus, just the other day the
    time span was only 48 hours, now it's weeks. what happened?
    it isn't too high.
    the bluetooth gps devices are small and hardly noticeable and you've
    already stated that geotagging doesn't interest you so you could leave
    it in the car and be close enough without carrying anything.
     
    Guest, Jun 30, 2009
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    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 30, 2009
    #68
  9. ray

    Bob Larter Guest

    Indeed. I have fractions of a second to setup my shots & take them. That
    said, I have no need to log GPS to go with them...
     
    Bob Larter, Jun 30, 2009
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  10. ray

    Guest Guest

    provide such literature and let's see.
    in other words, an empty claim with no evidence to back it up.
    yes, that's exactly what you are doing. thanks for admitting it.
     
    Guest, Jun 30, 2009
    #70
  11. ray

    Guest Guest

    actually i can, and have.
    the gps is off at night and turned on first thing in the morning. even
    if it takes several minutes to get a fix (which is unusual if it had a
    fix the day before), the gps will be ready before you are. i typically
    turn the gps on when getting into the car to go to where i'll be taking
    photos. the batteries will last all day and probably the next day too.
    after shooting the photos for the day, turn off both the gps and the
    camera and recharge the batteries if needed. it's really quite simple.
     
    Guest, Jun 30, 2009
    #71
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    Fair enough, but what books and articles should I read to be
    shown that even already having all the data --- however they were
    loaded into the unit, as long as they are correct --- any hot fix
    will take at least 30 seconds? Don't tell me you don't have any
    pointers there or that finding them was 'homework' --- it isn't.
    Judging by your behaviour you would never say you presented
    uninformed speculation. Hence, you are calling the following data
    "Uninformed speculation", and thus the proof of that claim is up
    to you --- I'll not do your homework. Please show me that
    http://www.jobo.com/web/photoGPS.447.0.html
    (manuals & co:
    http://www.jobo.com/web/photoGPS.486.0.html
    a bit more technical data and how it works:
    http://www.jobo.com/web/uploads/media/2008_09_17_JOBO_launches_photoGPS_at_photokina2008.pdf
    http://www.jobo.com/web/uploads/media/2009_02_04_JOBO_photoGPS_MAC-OS_compatible.pdf
    )
    is just "Uninformed speculation". While doing so, kindly
    explain reviews like
    http://www.coolest-reviews.com/200901/jobo-photogps-reviewed.htm
    http://thedigitalstory.com/2009/01/first_look_at_jobo_p.html
    http://www.adorama.com/Reviews/pwr/...ith-Matching-Software-Hot-shoe-Interface.html
    http://diderotsdiary.iannelli.us/2009/02/look-at-jobo-photogps.html
    http://www.amazon.com/Jobo-Photo-Tagging-Flash-Shoe/product-reviews/B001OBRM8W
    http://www.shasam.net/archives/107/
    http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/13416/slr_camera_gps_system/
    http://www.pocket-lint.com/reviews/...bo-photogps-geotagging-camera-accessory.phtml
    http://owaa.org/ou/2009/03/march-product/
    http://www.techradar.com/reviews/ca...mera-accessories/jobo-photo-gps-567177/review
    http://thedigitalstory.com/2009/01/first_look_at_jobo_p.html
    http://www.photoanswers.co.uk/Gear/Search-Results/Photo-Accessories/JOBO-Photo-GPS-geo-imaging/
    http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2009/archives/4047

    And tell me that these must be fakes, too:
    http://www.amazon.com/Jobo-Photo-Tagging-Flash-Shoe/dp/B001OBRM8W
    http://www.adorama.com/ICDGPGPS.html

    Note that I don't say that this implementation is the best thing
    since sliced bread --- it surely has much potential to be better
    --- just that it's real.

    Oh, and while you are at it, you might want to read
    http://gpstekreviews.com/2008/08/26...eris-data-prediction-reduces-gps-start-times/
    just as a little homework task for your "30 seconds for a hot
    fix, minimum" claims.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 30, 2009
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  13. ray

    Peter Guest

    And, Mr. expert, if you were shooting a simple horse runnng and you wanted
    to get all legs off the ground, would you shoot a rapid sequence, or just
    one shot?

    I wonder if you've ever shot a model and anted to get just the right
    expression. How many shots would you take?

    If you wanted to catch a bird in flight with its wings in just the right
    position, would you only use one shot?

    etc,; etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,


    Dudly should recieve lots of credit for his attitude and tries. I would be
    pleased if mjy shots came out half as good as his if I shot under the
    conditions he does.

    How dare you be so arrogant as to say, in essence, that only you can be
    right.<crap sniped>

    I apologize to the helpful members of this group for my mini rant, but your
    inexcusable posting just it a raw nerve and some things had to be said. Now
    go back in your corner and stick your head where the sun don't shine.
     
    Peter, Jul 1, 2009
    #73
  14. ray

    Bob Larter Guest

    Still waiting to see a good shot from you, kook.
     
    Bob Larter, Jul 1, 2009
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  15. ray

    Chris H Guest

    Et tu.
     
    Chris H, Jul 1, 2009
    #75
  16. ray

    Peter Guest


    You obviously have superior skills that far exceed mine and the vast
    majority of professional photographers. It is also clear you are on such a
    high plane, that none of us are capable of learning from you.
    Welcome to my Bozo bin.
     
    Peter, Jul 1, 2009
    #76
  17. ray

    Chris H Guest

    So I wonder why professionals used motor drives.... I wonder why one of
    the selling points of the high end professional DSLR's is the burst
    frame rate. (Mine has 2 burst settings)

    It sounds to me like you are the amateur here and probably do very
    little photography and only of static subjects. You probably can not
    tell the difference between passable and a great photo.
     
    Chris H, Jul 1, 2009
    #77
  18. ray

    Peter Guest


    I like to think most folks are posting for some legitimate purpose,
    including trying to start an intelligent discussion.

    However, that guy is now in my Bozo bin.

    BTW if you want to express your fatigue, do you write "I am tyred." <g>
     
    Peter, Jul 1, 2009
    #78
  19. Well, he'll be out in a jif, as he's a nym-shifter.

    If everyone tried to not reply to provactive and ignorant posts, the
    signal noise ratio would improve.
     
    John McWilliams, Jul 1, 2009
    #79

  20. Isn't being a world-class tosser a possibility?
     
    John McWilliams, Jul 1, 2009
    #80
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