Re: Does any other program (windows or linux) do screenshotannotation efficiently?

Discussion in 'Photoshop' started by Danny D., Apr 21, 2013.

  1. [/QUOTE]
    At least some of the side effects are well known and I don't
    feel like experiencing them (nor do I think breaking the law is
    a rather good career or life decision), no matter how positive
    the effects may be.

    Therefore my decision not to touch that stuff with a 10 foot
    pole is well informed and reasonable --- or am I wrong there?

    If you could point me to a similar case of bad side effects
    of using smartphones ...

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 18, 2013
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  2. He was right: you're not Royalty, and not only because you
    don't capitalize 'We'.

    Please let us know when you've been cured.

    So give up your car already.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 20, 2013
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  3. Danny D.

    Guest Guest

    the file has to be opened to rotate and write back the rotated data. i
    never said anything about displaying anything.
    so what?

    you originally said you got jpegs emailed to you.
    i understand it just fine.
     
    Guest, May 20, 2013
  4. Danny D.

    Tony Cooper Guest

    There's no analogy in my statement. For God's Sake, use words of
    which you known the meaning.
    What other way is there to express it? I'm a non-commercial user, so
    the program is free to me. If I was a commercial user, there would be
    a charge. The same conditions hold true for all other users

    I suppose you're trying to make some point, but it eludes me.
    Maybe so. Perhaps there are hundreds of people out there who are
    constantly being sent .jpgs that need only to be rotated. If so,
    there are also hundreds of people who can't figure out how to
    pre-rotate .jpgs. I think they deserve each other.
    Oh, so you have contact with lots of people who keep images in their
    galleries that need to be rotated. How strange. And, you exchange
    these unrotated images. Even stranger.
    A simpler concept is to keep images in one's gallery that are properly
    rotated and to block the idiots who constantly send out unrotated
    images.

    Training your computer sounds interesting. How do you do that? Put a
    shock collar on it? Give it a treat when it obeys your command? What
    tricks can it do?

    Do you have goldfish? Have you tried training them? How about your
    toaster? Is it trainable?
     
    Tony Cooper, May 20, 2013
  5. Danny D.

    Tony Cooper Guest

    Evidently, you and I are different. I don't need to try everything in
    order to know if I have interest in it. I've never tried having a
    high colonic, a pedicure, a bikini wax, or a cucumber facial. I
    somehow know, instinctively, that these things are of no interest to
    me.

    I've never given a three-month trial to owning a hot air balloon, a
    turret lathe, or a subscription to "The Joys of Beastiality and
    Masochism" magazine. I don't need to try these things to know that
    they are without interest to me.

    I am also a bit more decisive than you are, evidently. If I felt that
    a smartphone would be useful to me, I wouldn't have to diddle around
    for three months making the decision.

    Do continue on your path, though. The world *is* about you in
    decisions involving what you need to own or try. Else, you will
    continue to be a person who feels that what other people do is
    important for you to do...even if it's for no good reason.
     
    Tony Cooper, May 20, 2013
  6. Danny D.

    Tommy Guest

    Snipped a few various coloured herrrings :-|


    .. Else, you will

    Is there an irony meter in 'some of the things you've no need to try'

    Yet feel the need to remark on other peoples needs

    Cheers
    Tommy
     
    Tommy, May 20, 2013
  7. Danny D.

    Eric Stevens Guest

    You are leading with your chin :)

    Just using your words "bad side effects of using smartphones":

    http://www.howtolearn.com/2012/05/4-dangers-posed-by-smartphones-on-kids

    http://www.dgupost.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=1269

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110725101222.htm

    .... and a whole lot more.
     
    Eric Stevens, May 21, 2013
  8. Danny D.

    PeterN Guest

    And then there ws the herring who did not want to be his brother's kipper.
     
    PeterN, May 21, 2013
  9. Danny D.

    Savageduck Guest

    I thought that story was about an inseparable whale and herring. When
    the whale went missing, the herring was asked his location and
    responded, "I am not my blubber's kipper."
     
    Savageduck, May 21, 2013
  10. Danny D.

    J. Clarke Guest

    I don't understand why anybody would want a program to rotate images.
    Windows has this built in with what I find to be very acceptable
    functionality.
     
    J. Clarke, May 21, 2013
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    There is: you're transferring the meaning of hammer-nail to
    "must have a different DIGITAL DARKROOM tool for every task".

    Additionally, *I* am making an analogy: From your "Photoshop
    über alles" to "a single program for everything on the
    computer".

    So it's correct for me to say "by analogy".
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sake
    is arguably not what you meant to convey.

    Can you please only write words of which you know the meaning?
    Not only for Ambrosia? Pretty please?
    "FastStone is a proprietary program which I, due to an
    exception, am allowed to use without charge".

    You're not allowed to look at it's guts or fix a bug yourself,
    you're not even allowed to produce copies or give the program
    to your neighbour (see copyright).

    And while I don't need that for every software I have, I
    occasionally need it to train my computer to perform better
    or properly handle e.g. an old XY-Table with a spectrometer
    which is mispositioning sometimes, despite cleaning.

    Something you can't manage with your no-charge-for-you FastStone.
    You may only say things that are approved by The Party, but
    you're not charged for chanting The Party's slogans.
    Obviously, such speech is free.

    I think you're either dumb or you play dump.

    I can lead you to the water, I can add some sugar and fruit
    juice, but I can't make you drink.

    As I said: I can but lead you to the water ...

    Well, it's much easier than training you. I only need to
    tell it things once and it's not a blockhead on purpose.

    If you want tp

    Naa, the toaster has no circuity --- i.e. it's almost as
    dumb as someone I could name, but unlike that someone it does
    it's job ---, and the goldfish would get eaten too fast for
    training them. Though they'd be a good cat's TV channel.

    -Wolfgang

    [1] theoretically it should match any previous read, not just
    the one just immediately prior, but it's not that smart
    yet.
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 21, 2013
  12. Oh, you found out at that there is at least one person who's
    different from you?
    Congratulations.
    Your first step towards puberty has been taken.
    And therefore you conclude there can't be *anything* that
    you might need to try in order to know if you have interest
    in it. Yep, definitely the hormones are clouding the logic
    in onsetting puberty.

    Ah, yes, thinking about it would be work. Knee-jerk is
    easier. Note: it doesn't matter if your knee-jerk reaction
    is right or wrong, it matters that it's a knee-jerk reaction.

    You're a liar. Someone who's /found/ the "The Joys of
    Beastiality and Masochism" magazine must have looked in very,
    *very* special places, given that not even Google, Bing or
    DuckDuckGo have ever heard of them (outside your posting).
    The only reason you have no subscription to that magazine is
    that you're afraid your parents could find out about your hidden
    desires. Bucking conformance is one of the things of puberty
    --- as is a terrible shame about sexuality (especially towards
    one's parents and other grown ups) --- so you'll be in a bind.

    But at least you've found where the good stuff is, so there's
    an even chance you'll remember about safer sex, think about
    SSC, remember for instance what gag types to use (you'll want
    some that won't cut off your air, no matter what), that oxygen
    deprivation is a risky game, what bondages are only painful
    and which ones risk life and limb, how to deal with blood (see
    safer sex) and what a safeword is. Stuff like that is certainly
    a lot to keep in mind when one is playing, but it's important.

    Evidently you're (not only a bit) more prejudiced and think
    that's decisive.

    Neither did I say that was the right way of making a decision
    *for* a smartphone. Reading comprehension isn't your forte,
    os it.

    From which self-help book of the 1950's did you copy that one?


    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 21, 2013
  13. 0. I'm not a kid, and have not been one for decades, so it
    doesn't apply to me.
    1. "Smartphones detach kids from the true essence of social
    interaction."
    Alonso Quijano read too many books on chivalry and
    detached from the true essence of social interaction,
    became Don Quixote.

    That meme can thus be traced to 1605 and it's been
    attached to about every mass media since: Books, radio,
    TV, internet, smartphones --- and always children have
    been told to go outside and play instead.

    It's a case that's so self-evident that no proof seems
    needed --- just like it's obvious that granaries gestate
    mice (instead of them being born normally and finding a
    granary by luck and having baby mice there).

    2. "Smartphones can weaken children’s eye sight."
    And reading (and writing) in school doesn't?

    There was an enormous jump in myopia with the inuit that
    in the time frame where going to school became common.

    Note that no proof has been offered.

    3. "Smartphones can affect brain development."
    About anything can affect brain development. Did you
    notice that with the same words you could claim that
    smartphones can cause people be struck by lightning?

    Proof? Not even hints. And TV, especially ads, do jump
    lots and lots, too.

    4. "Smartphone can have detrimental effects on children’s
    body development."
    "Online and video games are terribly addicting" --- and
    they can only be played on smartphones, not on computers
    or tablets or notebooks or netbooks!

    It's just a rehash of 1).

    Nice one.
    Let's tackle the numbers: Most students (i.e. probably away
    from home, young, insecure, money usually not a problem)
    use the smartphone for communications. They did so with dumb
    mobile phones before (text messages AKA SMS, 22 won a piece),
    but were limited by the costs --- which means quite a few went
    into debt because of it.

    "Have you ever not paid attention to your work or studies
    because of your smart phone?" (30 no 68 yes)

    Sure. Happens. Ask about notes passed in the classroom,
    reading a book instead of listening, comics, TV, radio, landline
    phone --- I guess there might be a rare person who *never*
    was distracted in school, in university or when doing homework.
    Guess the TV and the radio generation also grew up and managed,
    even though they were at one point (or even a number of points)
    inattentive.

    Guess I was inattentive in classroom a couple times, too.
    Once by just gazing out of the window and ignoring the Latin
    lesson. Maybe classroom windows are dangerous, too.


    "Have you experienced stress from battery charging or
    updating applications?" (21 no 77 yes)

    Have you ever experienced stress from your car's fuel running
    low or not having access to your car (e.g. it being serviced
    or repaired)? Sure. It seems very common, too. So
    obviously we are all addicted to cars. How many people die
    every year due to car accidents --- and how many due to
    smartphone accidents?

    The "group of Smart Island" people have always existed.
    They've been monks in the Middle Ages, Nerds in the modern
    time[1] (using email and usenet and IRC where available),
    (some) are diagnosed with Asberger's syndrome (at least in some
    expressions), others are called Geeks --- they feel insecure
    socially in the real world. The dumb phone and smartphone
    allow them to communicate easier --- they'd mostly have
    very few if any social contacts otherwise. Ascribing their
    completely phone-independent troubles to a danger of the
    smartphone is disingenuous, to say the least.

    As to pain from overuse --- that's a self-correcting problem.

    Left and right brain development: So it's bad to train the left
    brain half? Sure, OVERuse can be bad. Noone's saying you
    should let childen watch everything on TV either, see every
    horror (replace with "pornographic", if in the US) movie,
    read every book, right?

    "Also, having a stooped posture causes the possibility of
    having cervical disc injuries." Last I heard herniated discs
    still thought of as random events of bad luck --- at least
    that's what the doctors were telling me. Maybe they lied.


    "Many Korean people are addicted to smart phones." (By the
    same standards, most US people are addicted to cars. See
    above.)

    Kakao Talk --- yep, that's one (apparently locally popular) app.
    Let's talk about, uh, the bugs of the Korean version of Internet
    Explorer to classify all computers --- as very very dangerous.

    "Messenger apps have been used as a medium of prostitution and
    obscene information." Now I am really worried --- as if there
    wasn't a playboy in every second newsstand and the internet
    and street prostitution available anyways.

    "adolescents can use these apps with no limitation" So
    install a protection software, like you do with your kid's
    computer.


    All in all a impressive looking numbers which mean not much
    at all, a lot of FUD and woetelling.

    Habits can form. Like, say, driving to the bakery
    next door or to fetch cigarettes.

    Habits are supposedly a problem: '"What concerns us here is
    that if your habitual response to, say, boredom, is that
    you pick up the phone to find interesting stimuli, you will
    be systematically distracted from the more important things
    happening around you."' If you are *bored*, by definition NO
    more important things (as measured by the only scale that
    counts) are happening and be interesting. So that's probably
    a problem when you use boredom as a punishment or think it
    must be morally bad to not suffer boredom gladly.

    "studies are already starting to associate smartphone use to
    dire consequences like driving accidents ..."
    That's why at least here using the phone (except no-hands) is
    illegal. As is driving without seat belt. BTW: this is no
    problem of smartphones, but of phones in general.

    "... and poor work-life balance"
    Yep, if you're always on call, that's bad for you. It means
    there must be a rule that you're not called outside your paid
    on-call times, or be at least financially compensated well
    for it. That means it must be OK for you to not respond to
    your boss calling you. But again: that's a problem of phones
    in general, even landline telephones, and of dumb cellular
    phones just as much as to smart phones.

    And a lot more of the same vein: either problems that happen
    with other, common usages (e.g. bad eyes -> reading,
    phoning/texting while driving -> dumb cell phones), are very
    speculative or are age-old worries about "the kids" (as if
    parents had to give up all control with smartphones --- and
    that's overuse problems), single apps misbehaving or stuff
    you'll find much worse on the internet.

    Or collecting completely different phenomena and ascribing
    them to the smartphone as a danger.


    I'll tell you a problem you haven't named: happy slapping.

    The smartphone is not the problem, it's 'just' an enabler.
    (A feature phone works just as well.)
    And it's obvious proof how video surveillance doesn't stop
    crime. (And it seems it's way overreported by media.)

    -Wolfgang

    [1] in fact, Nerd used to be solely a negative word, connoting
    especially social isolation, before it was adopted as
    a self-description.
    One expansion of Nerd is "Non Emotionally Responding Dude".
    see a theme?
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 21, 2013
  14. Danny D.

    Tommy Guest


    As the old seahorse said "Stop with your codding - theres a time and plaice
    for this - We know you're fishing for compliments - but all you'll get
    around here is crabs :)
     
    Tommy, May 21, 2013
  15. Danny D.

    Tony Cooper Guest

    Dunno myself. Ask Wolfgang. He's the one who is being deluged with
    images that need rotating. No one's sending me images that need
    rotating.
     
    Tony Cooper, May 21, 2013
  16. So you think having to save the image to an USB stick or some
    shared area on the HD, shut down your OS, boot windows (which
    you have to pay for, just to rotate images), rotate the
    image, save it to the shared space, shut down windows, boot
    your OS again and continue working is a good idea?

    Oh, but yes, everyone uses Windows, so that's not a problem!
    I see!

    How about lossless rotation? Overrated, yep, you're right!

    Automatic rotation, without having to click and mouse around?
    Oh, but you sit in front of the computer anyway?

    Well, of course, you're right --- I see it now! There's no
    need for anything else. E.g. when you rotate images in, say,
    smugmug, they have someone who instantly handles the request
    manually by mousing it in Windows ...

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 22, 2013
  17. Danny D.

    Guest Guest

    so what? users aren't interested in fixing other people's bugs, even if
    they knew how. they have more important things to do, and if the tool
    is buggy they'll choose something else that isn't.
    who cares. if another person wants the program they can get it directly
    from the developer, which is a good idea anyway.
    yes you can, assuming you retain no copies of it. not that it matters.
     
    Guest, May 22, 2013
  18. Danny D.

    Tony Cooper Guest

    Certainly. All he need do is make an appointment, come to my house,
    and pay a reasonable fee for my time.
    I am part of a group that is allowed to use it at no charge.

    The time to rotate an image sent in need of rotation is when the image
    is first viewed. If I received a slew of images in need of rotation
    as you seem to be plagued with, I'd view the folder into which they
    were downloaded with FastStone. I'd only open them in PS if I wanted
    to do some additional editing functions.
    I'm still wondering.
     
    Tony Cooper, May 22, 2013
  19. Ah, so the idea is to spend ~$400 PER YEAR /plus/ your tution
    fees of a couple $100 (and that's assuming you have Windows
    or OS X) for a simple task that doesn't need either.

    I understand you can't tell Adobe for how much they rent
    Photoshop, but your fees you can influence.
    OK, so you can express the concept properly. We are making
    progress here!

    Ah --- no. The time to rotate an image is somewhere before
    it's displayed and probably before it's edited, but not
    necessarily at first viewing. (In fact, from what I hear,
    sports photos shot for an agency would often be initially
    viewed without rotation, even when rotation info was available,
    because the time it takes/took the computer to display it
    'correctly' would slow down the first rough triaging too much.
    Machine gun photography? Probably.)

    | So why don't you use Photoshop?
    for initial viewing. You seem to advocate that a limited,
    special case handling of screen shots shouldn't be done with
    a specialized software --- so why should viewing be handled
    by a specialized software?

    That's OK, I'm wondering how you could still be wondering.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 23, 2013
  20. Danny D.

    J. Clarke Guest

    Hey, if you're not using the mainstream OS then you're on your own as
    far as I'm concerned. I gave up on the other stuff ages ago--I found
    out that I was getting what I paid for.
    Not for most people no.
    Windows rotation is lossless.
    You know of an application that analyzes the content and determines the
    correct orientation?
    There's no need for a dedicated image-rotation application that has no
    other function.
     
    J. Clarke, May 23, 2013
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