Re: Does any other program (windows or linux) do screenshotannotation efficiently?

Discussion in 'Photoshop' started by Danny D., Apr 21, 2013.

  1. Danny D.

    Tony Cooper Guest

    Next time someone sends me an image that needs rotation, I'll pay
    particular note of how complicated the process is and report back to
    you. I don't get many, though, so I'll need some time.

    Can we set a deadline? How about February, 2016. I should receive
    one by then.
     
    Tony Cooper, May 24, 2013
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  2. Danny D.

    Tony Cooper Guest

    Hey...it's *your* idea. If he's sucker enough, I'll be glad to
    oblige.

    Can you re-do that in English?
    Photoshop is not a viewer. Bridge is a viewer. Lightroom is a
    viewer. Elements has a viewer module. In all three cases, an image
    can be opened for editing from the viewer.
     
    Tony Cooper, May 24, 2013
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  3. I see --- so you're on your own if you use anything but a
    mobile phone camera (or maybe a compact camera), as DSLRs and
    so on are certainly not mainstream.

    And even in DSLRs, there's only Canon. And (maybe) Nikon.
    And certainly no third party lenses. And only lenses that
    autofocus.

    If that's true for you, there are many places that are glad
    to take your money and handhold you day and night. In fact
    you can spend vastly more than a copy of Windows costs, if
    you like to.

    Do you have a modem or router for your internet access? Does
    it run Windows? Does your phone run Windows --- XP, Vista, 7
    or 8?

    Not always.

    I know of many applications that look at the EXIF and
    determine the correct orientation.

    Please provide proof. Use scientific methods.
    That *you* don't see a need for it is obvious, but that
    doesn't say anything.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 24, 2013
  4. [/QUOTE]
    If that's my idea, how come
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    ?

    I don't blame you for Adobe setting their prices. You can
    however do something about your price.

    So what?
    Photoshop is also not a screenshot annotator, that doesn't
    stop you from using it as such.
    Screenshot annotating software does exist.
    That also doesn't stop you from using Photoshop for such tasks.


    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 24, 2013
  5. Danny D.

    J. Clarke Guest

    In Lightroom some edits are possible directly from the viewer, others by
    going to the "developer" module which views only the selected items, if
    that doesn't suffice then you can go to the full Photoshop.
     
    J. Clarke, May 24, 2013
  6. Danny D.

    Guest Guest

    if lightroom is a viewer then so is photoshop.
    if it's opened for editing, it's more than a 'viewer'.

    quicklook is a viewer. that's all it does. and it doesn't use *any* app
    at all.
     
    Guest, May 24, 2013
  7. Danny D.

    Savageduck Guest

    Photoshop CS(x) contains a viewer and library/catalog/assets management
    module "Bridge" which functions independently of PS CS(x). So Photoshop
    is not exactly a "viewer". "Mini-Bridge" is found within PS CS5&6, but
    is just a beens of accessing the assets managed by "Bridge" and is not
    a "viewer" in the most commonly used sense.

    Lightroom is "Bridge" on steroids.
    ....and "Preview" is a "viewer" with some limited editing capability,
    including rotation.
     
    Savageduck, May 24, 2013
  8. Danny D.

    Guest Guest

    slrs are definitely mainstream and sold in just about every camera
    store.

    contrast that to medium format and certainly large format, which very
    few stores carry, or you have to mail order it because it's so niche
    that it's not worth it for a store to bother.
    no maybe. canon and nikon are the two dominant players with several
    others taking up the rest. third party lenses are also very common.

    what's not mainstream are things like lytro or 3d cameras.
    people don't plug a keyboard and a display into a router and run apps
    on it, so it does not matter what operating system is in it.
    it's isn't always lossless on linux or any other system either.
    that's the correct way to do it.
     
    Guest, May 24, 2013
  9. Danny D.

    Tony Cooper Guest

    Dunno. That link opens a message that doesn't seem to relate at all
    to question you asked about my willingness to the train the OP.
    I haven't named a price for my time, and already you're objecting to
    it?
    But I can annotate screenshots in PS. I don't know how I could use PS
    as a viewer of multiple images.
    Haven't you circled back here? Your position is to have multiple
    individual programs with specialty function. My position is to use
    what I have to do it if it can be done with what I have.

    That's OK. If one of your running commentaries didn't eventually
    break down into an Ouroboros, it just wouldn't seem like Wolfgang.
     
    Tony Cooper, May 24, 2013
  10. Danny D.

    Tony Cooper Guest

    Yes, for that matter, Irfanview and FastStone are viewers in which you
    can do some editing. My point is that the Lightroom Library module's
    basic function is that of a viewer. But, that is not the only
    function.
     
    Tony Cooper, May 24, 2013
  11. Danny D.

    Tony Cooper Guest

    I suppose it depends on how you define "Viewer". If you define
    "Viewer" as any program that has the capability of displaying an
    image, then even something like "Paint" is a viewer. Personally, I
    define "Viewer" as a program that allows one to view multiple images
    in a gallery format. You may not use the same definition.

    That doesn't make sense. The viewer isn't opened for editing. The
    viewer opens the file for editing.
     
    Tony Cooper, May 24, 2013
  12. Danny D.

    Guest Guest

    very easily. select a bunch of images and open them.
     
    Guest, May 25, 2013
  13. Danny D.

    Guest Guest

    yes it does.
    nobody said it was.
    which means it's not a viewer, it's an editor which is being used only
    for viewing.
     
    Guest, May 25, 2013
  14. Danny D.

    Tony Cooper Guest

    And who is the one who constantly whines about "arguing for the sake
    of arguing"? If you have Photoshop, you know it is not a practical
    viewer in any sense of the word.
     
    Tony Cooper, May 25, 2013
  15. Danny D.

    Tony Cooper Guest

    Use an ambiguous "it", and you should expect not be understood.

    Nonsense. The viewer links to the file which is opened in the editor.

    What you have said is similar to saying the door to the kitchen is
    used for cooking because one goes through the door to get to where the
    cooking is done.
     
    Tony Cooper, May 25, 2013
  16. Danny D.

    Guest Guest

    i guess all of the times i've used it to view images never happened.

    usually i use quicklook but a lot of times i will use photoshop,
    especially if it's already running, which means i don't have to launch
    yet another app.
     
    Guest, May 25, 2013
  17. Danny D.

    Guest Guest

    it's fairly obvious what was meant. the discussion was about viewing
    images, not editing a viewer which doesn't even make sense.
    except when it's the same app, such as photoshop, preview, etc.

    if you mean bridge, that can do limited editing, such as rotation,
    which is what this was about in the first place.
    nothing like that at all.
     
    Guest, May 25, 2013
  18. Danny D.

    Savageduck Guest

    ....and what the hell is Bridge for?
     
    Savageduck, May 25, 2013
  19. Dunno. That link opens a message that doesn't seem to relate at all
    to question you asked about my willingness to the train the OP.[/QUOTE]

    Seems you have lost the context. Try finding it again.

    Of course. You advocate expensive photoshop because you
    object to no cost and free software that does photo editing
    on the basis that a can-do-everything-program like photoshop
    is somehow superior for that task. Then you also don't want
    to train the OP for free.

    Open several photoshop windows? Why use a program that can
    do less, even if it's better for a specific task at hand?

    My position is that a program should do one task and do it
    well; and that they are able to be used as building blocks
    wherever possible.
    My standard example is the 'ls' program, which lists files in
    a directory. No, unlike the Windows exporer it doesn't move
    them and doesn't even allow you to change the current directory.
    But it can do a lot of tricks the explorer can't.

    For special tasks that happen repeatedly to you a matching
    special task software usually makes sense. OK, if you know
    photoshop and annotate 1 screenshot a year this may be
    different, but that's obviously not what the OP wants.
    If all you have is a hammer ... yes, you *can* hammer in
    screws, lenses, window panes. That doesn't make that a great
    idea, though, just because a screw driver is more limited
    in application.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 25, 2013
  20. Danny D.

    Tony Cooper Guest

    Snippage is a problem here. I said Bridge is a viewer.

    While it is possible to open, say, 10 images in PS and use it as a
    viewer, it's a very impractical operation. If they are RAW files,
    they will open in RAW module. If they are .psd or .jpg or .tiff, they
    will open in PS. In any case, you will have to take the extra step of
    closing ten files or "close all". In Bridge, you will have a
    gallery-type display and merely arrow to the next image with no need
    to close any.

    The whole idea of a viewer is to see each file and decide which need
    opening and editing. If you are going open and edit every file, you
    can do it in PS but you really aren't using PS as a viewer with that
    method.

    By "editing", I mean anything from converting a RAW file to a .psd,
    ..tiff, or .jpg to re-sizing or cropping. Nothing more need be done to
    be "editing", but much more can be done.
     
    Tony Cooper, May 25, 2013
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