Re: Does any other program (windows or linux) do screenshotannotation efficiently?

Discussion in 'Photoshop' started by Danny D., Apr 21, 2013.

  1. Danny D.

    Eric Stevens Guest

    Hardly 'broken' if they have been made that way.
     
    Eric Stevens, May 27, 2013
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  2. Danny D.

    Guest Guest

    broken design. they're not writing necessary information that every
    other camera has written for over a decade.
     
    Guest, May 27, 2013
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  3. Danny D.

    PeterN Guest

    Nikon View and DXO are up there too, if we disregard that they can't see
    PSD files.
     
    PeterN, May 27, 2013
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    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 28, 2013
  5. Dream on. They've been nearing no-impact since forever.
    Unfortunately, load times are small compared to setup times.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 28, 2013
  6. Danny D.

    J. Clarke Guest

     
    J. Clarke, May 29, 2013
  7. | On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament!], `Pray,
    | Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right
    | answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of
    | confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. --Charles Babbage

    I'm also not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion
    of ideas that could provoke a statement like yours, that
    there's no kind of meaningful distinction between Freeware[1]
    and free (libre) software[2]. I can only assume a lack of
    basic knowledge or serious illness like dementia.

    About any job they pay you for and where using Windows is not
    a choice you can make, but is a given. You never held a job
    in the last 15 where part of the work was using a computer,
    I take it?

    You soldered the DSPs in yourself? And it plugs directly
    into the phone line or TV cable or glass fibre you get your
    internet over?

    Let me rephrase that, since maybe I'm not as versed in the
    variant of the language you speak as you are and since you
    are not very flexible in that area --- the technology that is
    used by the telephone company to connect your pnone to another
    phone when you dial is still fully mechanical apparently.

    Another way is
    http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~ece533/project/f06/sanchez.pdf

    This is btw. yet another good reason for "a dedicated
    image-rotation application that has no other function".
    Says the guy who doesn't want to understand what I write.

    Writing comprehensibly, on the other hand, does not seem to
    be your strong suit.

    | There's no need for a dedicated image-rotation application
    | that has no other function.
    was stated by a certain "J. Clarke <>".

    Sure, you'll claim that that's something *completely*
    different. But if it was so, then why does it matter to you
    if there is such an application?

    So you don't even have the slightest idea if a dedicated
    image-rotation application would make sense for them or not
    --- yet you claim with utter conviction that there is no need
    for one.

    Can you connect the dots?

    Nice that you agree.


    -Wolfgang

    [1] Stuff you don't need to pay for if you fall into a narrow
    class of users or kind of usage, all other rights,
    including copyright, being withheld by the author. In
    other words, not even freedom 0 from [2] applies, never
    mind the rest.

    [2] A program is free software if the program's users have the
    four essential freedoms:

    * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).
    * The freedom to study how the program works, and change it
    so it does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access
    to the source code is a precondition for this.
    * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your
    neighbor (freedom 2).
    * The freedom to distribute copies of your modified
    versions to others (freedom 3). By doing this you can
    give the whole community a chance to benefit from your
    changes. Access to the source code is a precondition
    for this.
    (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html)
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 29, 2013
  8. Danny D.

    J. Clarke Guest

    Wolfgang, you remind me of the kid in my junior high school who was
    convinced that steel was harder than diamonds because nobody would
    present him with a diamond that he could hit with a hammer.

    In other words, and I mean this in the kindest possible way, you're a
    loon of the sort that gives Linux users and by extesion Linux a bad
    name. Nobody likes a proselyte except another proselyte of the same
    faith.

    I'm not wasting any more time on this discussion since it is not a
    discussion, it is you launching harangues that have little relation to
    objective reality.
     
    J. Clarke, May 31, 2013
  9. Danny D.

    Mayayana Guest

    | I'm also not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion
    | of ideas that could provoke a statement like yours, that
    | there's no kind of meaningful distinction between Freeware[1]
    | and free (libre) software[2].

    There's no consistent distinction. Both are free to use.
    One is produced cooperatively and the source code is available.
    Beyond that? There's lots of free software that is arguably the
    best in its class. (IrfanView. Sysinternals utilities, which were
    originally written independently by one person before Microsoft
    bought him out and hired him. HxD hex editor.)
    On the other hand, there's lots of OSS that will never be ready
    for prime time, being little more than a social hobby for one or
    more geeks.

    Fanatics like Richard Stallman see a very big difference,
    but that's because he's a programmer. For him OSS is
    important because he can alter and recompile it. The code
    is free. But for the vast majority of people that's not a
    relevant distinction, so quality and usability issues do not
    necessarily differ by free vs OSS.
     
    Mayayana, May 31, 2013
  10. Then there's also no consistent distinction between eating at
    a soup kitchen and being in jail: you don't need to pay for
    your food.
    Sometimes, but not necessarily. I point you to Argyllcms.
    One-man show *and* restrictions as to what patches he'll take
    (outside the usual 'good code', 'correctly formatted', 'makes
    sense to have', etc.) since the creator wants to be able to
    license the code commercially, too.

    You make it sound as if being in jail wasn't a big deal:
    you never wanted to go out of your cell anyways.

    The same is true for commercial closed source software.
    Unfortunately, that doesn't stop them from being sold!

    Next time you buy a car, consider if a welded down engine
    hood would be acceptabe. You'd have to drive to your car
    maker's garages for any work. Even for checking oil outside an
    "oil alert" lamp. Now, I am not a car mechanic. I probably
    never will change spark plugs. I don't mind going to garages
    cooperating with my car maker. But I can, and have, checked
    oil, refilled oil, giving stater help through tapping my car's
    battery contacts.

    I've been on the receiving end of roadside assistance which
    would not have been possible with a welded down engine hood.


    Another example: You might know that (some) games have a vibrant
    modding community, fixing oversights and adding features and
    in the case of sims, correcting stats to historically correct
    values. Some games are only still alife and going strong in
    their respective circles because there are modders that still
    work on them --- the publisher has abandoned them. While the
    source code to the engine is not available (and it's a pity,
    as this makes it much harder or impossible to fix some bugs ---
    sometimes an exceptional modder manages to decode small parts
    of the binary and add a few important features through trial
    and error). Now, you don't need to be a programmer to enjoy
    the works of these modders and you don't need to be a
    programmer to grasp what could have been if there had been
    sourcecode (and the necessary rights to change and pass on)
    available.


    Yet another example: Google for "Magic Lantern". Imagine
    Nikon opened their firmware sources a bit --- just offering
    an API, just offering hooks for such a mod to hook into the
    right places ... now what could happen if there was full
    access to the hardware via the firmware.

    .... because noone except programmers use programs altered
    by programmers. Nobody uses Magic Lantern, for example. Or
    Firefox. Or the Apache webserver, for example.


    As to 'not a relevant distinction':
    For the vast majority of people whether a camera can do RAW
    is not a relevant distinction. So basically we all should
    shoot JPEGs, all the time.
    For the vast majority of people whether a camera can have a
    lens changed is not a relevant distinction. So basically we
    all should use compact cameras.
    For the vast majority of people whether the higher the megapixel
    count and the larger the mm-number in the tele end, the better
    the camera --- that's therefore a relevant distinction.
    Lemmings always run in circles, so so quality and usability
    issues do not necessarily differ by free vs OSS.

    That's just as correct a logic and claim.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 1, 2013
  11. [a personal attack on me]

    Well, if that's the only argument you are willing to present ...

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jun 1, 2013
  12. That is the only consistent *similarity*. The
    distinctions are huge.
    That may or may not be true. It is not a distinction,
    and is also insignificant.
    Lets not throw rocks at someone with the genius that
    Stallman has. He might not be the nicest socialite in
    the world, but his contributions to society have been
    huge.
    That is a broken view, because it misses the most
    significant point: *somebody* certainly can alter and
    recompile it, and that benefits everyone who is not a
    programmer.

    I certainly am not qualified to add to the Linux kernel,
    to the GNU C Compiler, to GNUEMACS, or many many other
    really fantastic programs; but I don't have to mostly
    because people like Richard Stallman can, and do. Not
    just a few of them either, but hundreds of them do.

    You simply cannot tell what is in a Freeware program,
    because we are not all allowed to muck with the code.
    But FOSS programs are guaranteed to have been reviewed
    by at least someone with priorities other than those of
    the original author.
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Jun 2, 2013
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