Re: Does any other program (windows or linux) do screenshotannotation efficiently?

Discussion in 'Photoshop' started by Danny D., Apr 21, 2013.

  1. Danny D.

    Tony Cooper Guest

    I am beyond contract with my mobile phone provider, and they keep
    sending me letters that I can get a "free" phone if I re-up. I can
    get an iPhone4 for 99 cents. However, the minimum data plan required
    is 300 mg at $30 a month, or 3 gigs at $40 a month. Nothing in
    between.

    That's a cute little phone, but - try as I might - I can't see what
    I'd do with it. Searching my memory, I can't think of a single
    instance in recent months where I would have liked to have a smart
    phone.

    I used 19 minutes of my 700 minute voice plan last month. That
    doesn't include mobile-to-mobile minutes because the basic plan gives
    me those free. I never use the camera. I do text, but that's
    included in the basic plan for free.

    My son has an iPhone and a zillion apps. He went through his apps
    with me the other night, and I didn't see one that interested me.
     
    Tony Cooper, Apr 24, 2013
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  2. Danny D.

    Eric Stevens Guest

    Why not? After all, I bait you.
    That's true - and its never been seen since.

    I wasn't suggesting the car you photographed was a replica. I was
    suggesting it was built out of a collection of Bugatti parts.

    http://www.hopupmag.com/index.php/weblog/article/C2/ has more of the
    story which is consistent with what I read elsewhere. A chassis + a
    gear box + and engine.

    "A guy we know has been building this car for some time; I think he
    bought the (correct, one-off) frame in about 1981. It had been
    acquired from the factory when it all ended in 1960 or so. It’s the
    show Bugatti from 1935 which was not sold and went back to the
    factory and kind of ‘parted out’, if I have it correct. It’s all
    righteous Bug parts on that for-real frame and the body thereon
    is…magnesium. Oh, yeah. It’s getting wrapped up now for the world
    debut - I think the chassis was at Pebble Beach last year to demo
    the engine and run it for the plebes. Anywho, it should be in all
    the right mags and shows in time."

    The photograph/sketch
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31088803/57222.jpg shows the
    intended riveted flange of the elektron guards (wings) as were used in
    the Aerolithe. This car undoubtedly has the S type (lowered) chassis
    (while the recently made Aerolithe replica seems to have a standard
    chassis). The car you photographed has the correct type of chassis
    which may well be that of the Aerolithe.
     
    Eric Stevens, Apr 24, 2013
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  3. Danny D.

    Eric Stevens Guest

    He's still talking about a replica using Bugatti parts. I think he may
    be confused by the unusual chassis taper. It may be that he is looking
    at one of the prototype chassis, maybe even that of the Aerolithe.
     
    Eric Stevens, Apr 24, 2013
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    Danny D. Guest

    This is a very useful feature that I've never seen in the
    freeware mentioned.

    It allows a series of custom arrows to be cut and pasted so that
    they're consistent.

    That's nice - and NOT in the freeware feature set! (AFAIK)
     
    Danny D., Apr 24, 2013
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    Danny D. Guest

    Ooops.
     
    Danny D., Apr 24, 2013
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    Danny D. Guest

    Exactly!

    This is the three-step software-purchase process I recommend:
    1. Try to do the task with the tools you have at hand;
    2. If that fails, find & try the best freeware for that task;
    3. If that fails, now you know exactly what you want payware to do!

    By the time you get to step 3, you'll know what the freeware
    does (which will be basic tasks); but if you need more, then
    you know exactly what questions to ask of the payware before
    plunking down your hard-earned dollars on it.

    For example, I bought the Adobe Acrobat Writer even though
    CutePDF (and others) creates PDFs; & Foxit (and others)
    reads PDFs; & PDF Toolkit (and others) manipulates PDFs.

    What I liked about the PDF writer payware was the distiller,
    the ability to make text edits, and the shrinker, plus the
    ability to convert an entire web page hierarchy to a
    link-clickable 8.5x11-inch format PDF document.

    Similarly, I bought Recosoft "Pdf To Office" because the
    freeware methods failed (however even PDF2Office is highly
    imperfect).

    Interestingly, I bought Microsoft Office not because it did
    *anything* better than the StarOffice OpenOffice equivalents -
    but simply because Microsoft Office turns out to be more
    compatible with what other people were using.

    And, certainly, I buy Turbotax because it provides something
    that I am under the impression that freeware doesn't do.
    (Although I haven't studied that topic in years so maybe
    that isn't the case anymore.)

    However, when it comes to image editing, I can get almost all
    I need done with freeware. Likewise with simple video editing
    (e.g., avidemux); DVD authoring (e.g., DeVeDe); audio editing
    (e.g., Audacity); mail user agents (e.g., Thunderbird);
    encryption (e.g., TrueCrypt); Chat clients (e.g., Pidgin);
    video players (e.g., VLC); recording (e.g., recordmydesktop);
    DVD burning (e.g., K3b); iPod sharing (e.g., SharePod);
    EXIF manipulation (e.g., jhead, exiftran); WiFi (e.g., Kismet);
    etc.

    My simple rule that I teach my kids is:
    "Never buy payware for a task until/unless freeware can't
    do what you need done". You'll buy wisely because you'll
    know (by then) exactly what you need the payware to do!

    Freeware is the first step in the payware decision tree!
     
    Danny D., Apr 24, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    BTW: the term "Electron" or "Elektron" as used in the context o Bugatti
    bodies, refers to the magnesium-aluminum alloy used in the coachwork.
     
    Savageduck, Apr 24, 2013
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    Poutnik Guest

    Danny D. posted Wed, 24 Apr 2013 05:18:18 +0000 (UTC)

    There are 2 extreme ways in approach to software.
    One is celebrating freeware and looking with despect to payware.
    The other is doing exact opposite.

    The reasonable way is to use what in particular case
    fits better you overall needs or requirements.

    I prefer freeware but do not make from it unbreakable rule,
    even if I have bought except of Windows just 1 SW ever...
     
    Poutnik, Apr 24, 2013
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    Danny D. Guest

    Actually, I'm not a Linux zealot.

    The main reason I'm on Linux is simply that I had replaced my hard disk
    and the PC manufacturer wouldn't give me a replacement installation disk
    for Windows (even though the license stickers were on the bottom of the PC).

    So I put Linux on instead - and I've never looked back.
    Trust me that you can live perfectly well _without_ iTunes! :)

    The _only_ thing that I ever needed to do that only iTunes did well
    was to initialize a brand-new iPod or iPhone. While there are Linux
    alternatives to iTunes for initializing, iTunes is far easier, in the
    end for initializing devices.

    However, my rule is to IMMEDIATELY (if not sooner) remove iTunes once
    the brand-new device is initialized; then SharePod or copyTransManager
    or any of a host of much nicer iTunes replacements are used instead.

    Unfortunately, due to iTunes bloatware, you _also_ have to uninstall
    a host of unwanted badly behaved programs that came with iTunes, such
    as Bonjour, QuickTime, Apple Application Support, Apple Mobile Device
    Support, Apple Software Update, etc. (Note: QuickTime Alternative is
    a good alternative to Quicktime if you must have it.)
    Trust me. I know exactly what I'm talking about.

    I've installed hundreds of programs, for example, on Windows, and
    absolutely NONE of them go into "C:\Program Files".

    I know that because I have what I consider to be one of the most organized
    software hierarchies in the history of PCs. Absolutely nothing is organized
    by brand name, for instance. And, my menus exactly mirror my installation
    hierarchy, 1:1, like God meant them to. I could go on and on about how
    to properly set up a PC - but - suffice to say, for the longest time,
    I never even had an idiotic "Program Files" or "My Documents" or "Common
    Files" directory (the defaults being set otherwise in the registry hives).

    Suffice to say, you can tell iTunes where to go, and it will go there - but,
    ALL THE OTHER bloatware that comes with iTunes (see list above, including
    Bonjour) will NOT respect your decision!

    Please don't say that's a lie until you've actually tried it (like I have,
    very many times over the years). And, trust me, I'm a detail kind of guy
    so you can rest assured I took it up with my friends at Apple. It is what
    it is and I'm not going to change it - but you calling me a liar doesn't
    make it a lie.

    In fact, when I had no "Program Files" directory, guess what Bonjour did?
    It CREATED its own "C:\Program Files" directory! Can you believe that?

    That tells you how badly written Apple software can be?

    Note: I'm in the Silicon Valley and my very good friends at Apple tell me
    their developers fume about the same stuff that I do ... so I can't blame
    the coders. It's a marketing decision. Most Apple customers won't even
    understand what I'm talking about because they're a different class of
    aficionado. They know stuff I'll never know - but - I know stuff they
    can't even fathom because it's just not important to them. They're a
    wholly different class of thinkers who don't mind having both a resource
    fork and a data fork. :)
    I'd correct that generalization to be the generalization that apps from
    big companies generally take far (far) longer to install than apps from
    small companies do. :)
     
    Danny D., Apr 24, 2013
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    Danny D. Guest

    Which is why I posted on the USENET thousands of times, over
    the past 20 years (under a variety of privacy-protecting nyms)
    asking questions, testing the answers, and summarizing the
    results so that others could easily follow in my freeware footsteps.

    For example, here are just a few ways to create pencil drawings
    on Linux from photo portraits using vector tracing and edge
    detection freeware methods:
    - Gimp: Filters->Edge Detect->Difference of Gaussians
    - Gimp: Filters->Pencil-Drawing->Blur Radius=4,Strength=1,OK
    - Inkscape: Filters->Image effects->Pencil
    - Inkscape: Path->Trace Bitmap->(o)Edge detection->Update->OK
    etc.

    That information was thanks to erudite folks such as
    Savage Duck, Bear Ederson, Floyd, Davidson, P-0'0h the cat,
    Eric Prilovich, wexfordpress, and others, by way of example.
     
    Danny D., Apr 24, 2013
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    Danny D. Guest

    Offhand, I used the following freeware (from memory) when I was on
    Windows ...

    Which of these do you feel is crap?

    - editor/photo/edit/{Gimp,FastOne,IrfanView,Paint.NET,VicManPhotoEditor}
    - archiver/IzArc
    - browser/{Firefox,Tor,Curl,Lynx}
    - cleaner/os/CCleaner
    - cleaner/malware/{ad-aware,spybot,spywareblaster}
    - calculator/math/geogebra
    - uninstaller/{total,zsoft}
    - editor/audio/{audacity,mp3_tag_editor}
    - editor/cad/sketchup
    - editor/text/{gvim,vim}
    - editor/pdf/{ghostscript,ps2edit,gsview}
    - editor/hex/hexedit
    - editor/suite/openoffice
    - player/video/{vmediaplayerclassic,vlc}
    - format/codec/k-lite
    - hardware/burner/imgburn
    - format/converter/super
    - hardware/dvd/authoring/dvdflick
    - hardware/mp3/ipod/sharepod
    - hardware/os/process_explorer
    - usenet/40TudeDialog
    - hardware/chat/pidgeon
    - security/encryption/truecrypt
    - mailer/thunderbird
    - hardware/vaccine/avast
    - hardware/wifi/{netstumbler,netcrumbler,wireshark}
    - hardware/voip/skype
    - hardware/printer/cutepdf
    etc.

    DISCLAIMER: This is just from memory ... wholly off the cuff ...
    so I'm quite sure I missed a bunch ... but tell me which of
    this freeware that I remembered above are "unbelievable crap"?

    Note: In Windows, it's trivially easy to install into a defined
    function-based hierarchy, and, most importantly, to mirror that
    hierarchy with the menus. Surprisingly, organizing your software
    and mirroring that organization with the menus, is a set of
    related tasks that are much harder to perform on Linux than on
    Windows. Go figure.
     
    Danny D., Apr 24, 2013
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    Danny D. Guest

    Well, to be clear, no rules are unbreakable - they're just
    generalizations.

    For example, I told my kids today that processed meats such
    as liverwurst and bolongna have tons more bacteria than do
    meats closer to the bovine ... so my rule ... for them ... was
    buy the food as unprocessed as possible.

    Similarly, I've told them that sugary candy is often as
    expensive as fruits and vegetables, so, my rule for them was
    to look at everything as vitamins per pound, or protein per
    pound.

    And, perhaps more apropos, I've often postulated the general
    rule that most fluids just aren't worth the money you pay for
    them at the supermarket ... since they're mostly water anyway ...
    and ... more to the point ... water is freeware; so it's just
    not worth buying the sugary payware (specifically sodas or
    drink mixes that aren't anything but sugary flavored water
    anyway).

    To bring it back to freeware vs payware, some payware is nothing
    but sugary flavored water - in which case - it may be better
    overall to just use the freeware water instead! :)
     
    Danny D., Apr 24, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    Savageduck, Apr 24, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    i thought you had a pay as you go phone.

    anyway, if you're considering an iphone, splurge for at least a 4s. the
    difference is well worth it. also shop around for plans. there are
    unlimited iphone plans around $30.
    a lot of people say that, but once they have a smartphone they find all
    sorts of things it can do that they didn't think of.
    the camera in the iphone 4 is quite good, so you'd probably use it at
    least some of the time, probably with one of the many camera apps
    available. however, the cameras in the 4s & 5 are noticeably better.
    maybe his choice of apps doesn't overlap with yours.

    you probably don't have the same selection of apps on your computers
    either.
     
    Guest, Apr 24, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    gimp, without any question, but others include, openoffice, sharepod,
    lynx and skype.
     
    Guest, Apr 24, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    why do you need a replacement disk for windows? can't you contact
    microsoft and get it activated?
    you gave up on windows because you can't figure out how to reactivate
    windows when swapping a hard drive?
    not if you have an ipod, iphone or ipad, you can't.
    in other words, you can't live perfectly well without itunes.
    very stupid.
    sharepod doesn't do everything itunes does, and you even said as much.
    one major drawback is it can't access the itunes store.

    in other words, no buying music, videos or apps. while music and videos
    can be obtained in other ways, such as extracting from one's own cd
    collection, apps can't.
    there is absolutely no need to uninstall any of that, nor are they
    badly behaved. furthermore, quicktime alternative is a pitiful
    replacement for quicktime, which works just fine.
    based on what you've said, you do not.
    why not? who cares where they go.
    that's wonderful.
    god uses windows? and why would god care if something is organized by
    brand name or not?
    i'm sure you could, and much of it would be quickly discounted as
    stupid. just look at the idiocy above.
    so it does respect your choice.
    so what? those are background processes. there are many background
    processes on a modern computer.

    out of the millions and millions of windows users, how many people do
    you think avoid putting apps in program files? hint: the number is so
    far off the chart that it can be assumed to be zero.

    nobody in their right mind is going to worry about edge cases like
    that. if you try to fight the way the computer is designed to work, you
    *are* going to have problems.
    it's a lie, which you admitted.

    you said itunes doesn't respect where you tell it to go then you said
    it goes where you tell it. one of those is a lie.
    who cares. how often do people look at what's in the program files
    directory? how many care?
    that doesn't make it badly written. not even close.

    itunes isn't perfect (nothing is), but this is without question,
    extremely minor and affects almost nobody.
    what might that stuff be?

    i can guarantee you that developers don't give a shit about putting
    apps somewhere *other* than program files. it's not something that gets
    a lot of testing because almost nobody does it. there are far bigger
    issues to resolve.
    nonsense. it has nothing to do with marketing. the computer is designed
    for apps to go in a certain place, so that's how apps are designed to
    work. move them and you may have problems.
    is that supposed to be some sort of apple-bashing?

    anyway, resource forks were way ahead of their time, but they've long
    been deprecated.

    and don't forget, windows supports multi-fork files, not just two.
    bullshit.
     
    Guest, Apr 24, 2013
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    Danny D. Guest

    Huh? The brand new hard disk needs an operating system.
    Where am I supposed to "get" that operating system?
    Um, maybe you know something I don't know.
    How do you reactivate something that's not there?
    I must be missing something critical here - so please let me know how.
    I just explained that I have my own iPod & my kid has an iPhone,
    and they work perfectly fine without iTunes. We don't need to argue
    because this is extremely well known information.

    If you still really think you can't populate an iPod/iPhone without
    iTunes, you'll need more advice than I am prepared to dish out anyway.
    Wow. Your repeated inability to comprehend shows that you simply want to
    argue - but I know the old adage ... so I refuse to drop down to that
    level - where your experience will win out anyway.

    Since I refuse to drop to the level of a grade schooler, this
    conversation is over. Good luck.
     
    Danny D., Apr 25, 2013
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:36:22 +1200, Eric Stevens

    Just to tidy up loose ends:

    --- snip ---
    The information accompanying
    http://www.bugatti-trust.co.uk/photographs/v/album-19/018+SC0623.jpg.html
    throws more light on the matter. I now conclude the car is not rebuilt
    on the Aerolithe chassis but more likely that of the 'Torpedo
    Competition' with Electron (sic) A.I.A.C.R. body' which was also
    exhibited at the Paris show. It appears to be a faithful replica of
    that car.
     
    Eric Stevens, Apr 25, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    It is more than a "faithful replica", it is a faithful full
    restoration. There is a difference.
    Note: the chassis number for the restoration Type 57S in my shot is
    #57222, the original Paris Show chassis.

    The Bugatti Trust site has always been a useful reference.
     
    Savageduck, Apr 25, 2013
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    I didn't know about the chassis number but that confirms my guess. Is
    the engine number also 235S?

    In any case http://www.finishing.com/519/33.shtml is a very
    interesting read. The original engine was removed and the body
    destroyed while the car was in the factory. I know from another site
    that the gearbox is from another car which disappeared in 1958.

    So it seems we have the original chassis, probably a different engine,
    certainly a different gearbox, and a new body which may have been
    built in the wrong material! It's certainly a stretch to call it a
    'restoration'. Never mind.
     
    Eric Stevens, Apr 25, 2013
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