Re: Does any other program (windows or linux) do screenshotannotation efficiently?

Discussion in 'Photoshop' started by Danny D., Apr 21, 2013.

  1. Danny D.

    Savageduck Guest

    As best as I can make out from what I have the engine number is 240S.
    My understanding is the body material is duplicated "Elektron"
    Magnesium/aluminum alloy as use in the original.

    Anyway, regardless our bantering, restoration, or partial replication
    of any of these great cars can only be commended, and I for one feel
    privileged to be able to see them today.
     
    Savageduck, Apr 25, 2013
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  2. Danny D.

    Tony Cooper Guest

    The phone that I got from AT&T when I first signed up went kerflooey.
    I bought a pay-as-you-go phone from Walmart and put the SIM card from
    the AT&T phone in the new phone. While it started as a PAYG phone,
    AT&T sees it as the same phone I received originally.

    Thanks, but you don't know the entire situation. I pay for four
    lines; one for me, one for my wife, one for my son, and one for my
    daughter-in-law. (A gift a few years ago that I've extended) Son
    extended the contract when he went to the iPhone, so the provider is
    locked in although 3 of the phones are beyond contract.
    It doesn't interest me. I'm an avid photographer, but with my Nikons.
    If I'm going to go out for photos, I do it with the Nikons. I've got a
    P&S camera in the car for quickies and unexpected shots.
     
    Tony Cooper, Apr 25, 2013
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  3. Danny D.

    Eric Stevens Guest

    So it's not the original engine.
    One of the comments in the URL I have given above is:

    "I did a bit of further research on the Bugatti riveted aluminum
    cars. Three of them still exist, and they are definitely aluminum
    bodies. At the time Bugatti called them "Elektron".'

    ... so may be Phil Reilly and the gang up in Canada (with the
    duplicate Aerolithe) may have been mislead into using the wrong
    material.
    I envy you. One way or another it is a unique motor vehicle.

    --- snip ---
     
    Eric Stevens, Apr 25, 2013
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  4. Danny D.

    Guest Guest

    suit yourself, but there is quite a bit that can be done with a
    smartphone camera that is harder than with other cameras, such as
    panoramas. pick the best tool for the job.

    then again, you like making more work for yourself.
     
    Guest, Apr 25, 2013
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  5. Danny D.

    Guest Guest

    same place you got the original.

    or just restore from a backup. you do have backups, right?
    how did you get windows in the first place?
    with limited functionality, they do. who wants limited functionality?

    maybe that's acceptable for you and your kid, but it's not for the rest
    of the world. people want more features, not less.

    meanwhile, hundreds of millions of people have itunes installed without
    problems. there's no reason to avoid it.
    you can, however, functionality is more limited than with itunes, as i
    said.

    some of what can't be done without itunes includes full backups, smart
    playlists, editing tags and much more. also, many things are much
    easier to do in itunes than on an iphone or ipad.

    you may be ok with limited functionality, but others certainly are not.

    to say that someone doesn't need itunes is flat out false.
    i'm not arguing. i'm refuting your ludicrous claims. plus, you're
    contradicting yourself.
    translated: you know you're wrong and can't back anything up so you
    back out. why am i not surprised.

    bye bye.
     
    Guest, Apr 25, 2013
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  6. Danny D.

    Tony Cooper Guest

    Work? Work? Photography is not work for me. I hope I never get to
    the point in photography where I choose something because it means
    less work for me.
     
    Tony Cooper, Apr 25, 2013
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  7. Have you even googled for >>screenshot annotation tool<<?
    I get
    http://getgreenshot.org/
    http://www.screenpresso.com/
    http://www.techsmith.com/download/snagit/
    http://www.techsmith.com/download/jing/
    http://www.bluemangolearning.com/screensteps
    http://lifehacker.com/5955051/skitch-our-favorite-screenshot-and-annotation-tool-comes-to-windows
    http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/amazing-screenshot-editor-annotation-tool.htm
    http://awesomescreenshot.com/
    http://szoter.com/#intro
    from the first few links ..
    Why should Photoshop care for simple annotations of screen
    shots? It's a very powerful, mighty package for professional
    image work, it's --- as far as I can tell --- as unsuitable
    for trivial screenshot annotation as the Gimp.

    These '3 critcal requirements' call for a very dumbed down
    program, not a professional image tool ...

    .... and there's yet another *really* critical requirement you
    didn't even mention: easily obfuscate parts of a screen shot.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 2, 2013
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  8. To nospam everyone who disagrees on OS choice is a linux zealot.
    Because only nospam is sane and everyone driving correctly is
    a wrong-way driver to nospam.
    MS has for quite a while offered their installation disks for
    download --- for free --- via Digital River
    (http://msft.digitalrivercontent.net/win/....iso)

    Google finds them just fine. And MS' knowledge base tells
    you it's legit.
    But unlike Linux you'll have to find and install every
    mainboard, graphics card, ethernet etc.etc.etc. driver yourself.
    You'll love collecting all the CDs and DVDs and trying to get
    to the internet, just because it's Windows.


    Oh, and at least Windows7 will reformat a partition with the
    boot flag for UEFI --- even when it knows it shouldn't touch
    *that* HDD at all, even when it had a complete HDD to install
    itself upon. Cost me lots of time. Thanks, stupid Microsoft.
    You can live perfectly well without iPhone, iPod, iTunes and
    all and any computers.
    Which God? Seth, Apep or Eris?

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 2, 2013
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  9. Wrong. Much as it pains me ... this is only true if your
    own time is infinite and costs nothing, there's no need for
    standardisation in your organisation, there's no additional
    cost in training and support ...

    Many people have an (at least) basic knowledge with MS Office,
    but not with libreOffice. Assuming that there's no problems
    with interoperability at all, the cost of training and
    supporting the average worker[1] on libreOffice can easily
    outweight the cost of buying the proprietary software.

    Much as it pains me ...

    Again, if you have a friend or colleague who's experienced in
    some software but not in another and you're not well versed
    in computers or that kind of software, it may well be cheaper
    and much less frustrating to buy the software where you get
    cheap or free support ...

    .... and by asking these experienced people first and then
    following their directions you save many many hours of
    unproductive work. Even if you're really cheap, you usually
    come out well ahead that way.
    .... if you insisted dumbly on a GUI, that is.

    -Wolfgang

    [1] and you probably can't underestimate, no matter how hard you
    try, how many of them can't transfer knowledge or how hard it
    is for many of them to use something where the menu positions
    are different or the buttons have different names.
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 3, 2013
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  10. And the answer is:
    http://www.smugmug.com/photos/i-mp2v4dk/1/X3/i-mp2v4dk-O.jpg
    http://www.smugmug.com/photos/i-6szqcKg/1/X3/i-6szqcKg-O.jpg
    That's a real bad job. You'd have to *learn* a *lot* about
    the Gimp to use it properly. That'll cost you *at least*
    a couple hundred dollar in time.


    So the right method is to google
    turn photo into cartoon
    turn photo into drawing
    turn photo into pencil sketch
    etc. and use the cut-and-dried pre-made versions.
    Then try the recipes, if that's not sufficient.
    you probably haven't used it properly. Go spend another at
    least 10 or 20 hours seaching for recipes, learn what they
    actually do and mean, learn how to improve them. Try all the
    variations.
    So you're wasting 20 hours on testing freeware to save maybe
    $19.95? Do you only make $1 per hour? You could have worked
    for 19 of these 20 hours --- or enjoyed them --- and made
    much more money, or spend them with stuff and people you
    *love* spending time with.
    The point is: Knowledge costs money. Lots of money. Unless you
    have infinite free time. Which you have not. You only have
    a very limited amount of seconds you'll be alife, and you're
    already spending a third of them for sleeping and another
    third for working ... and you need to care for yourself, too.

    No amount of money can add you a single second. But
    comparatively small amounts of money can *save* you *tons* of
    time, by going down well trodden and well understood paths, or
    by outsourcing the work to someone who's much more experienced
    than you are.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 3, 2013
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  11. So you do carry a dedicated navigation system with you all
    the time, and never had the need to kill time waiting by e.g.
    browsing news or photos, nor ever had to look up a number, an
    address or a description of a thing or procedure or find a
    doctor or usable eating place while outside town?

    Well, of course, if you never *had* a smart phone and really
    used it, you're not likely to understand what you might need it
    for; just as someone who only ever had a camera phone probably
    won't ever understand what a big, bulky DSLR may be useful for.


    Google the "Blub Paradox". It's another domain (computer
    languages), but the exactly same effect --- things you take
    for granted and use you don't want to live without, things
    you don't use and understand are merely complicated and you
    don't get what they might be useful for.

    "There's a world market for maybe 5 computers" (ok, it's
    usually misattributed, but there were sentiments by several
    computer specialists along these lines.)

    Who needs the internet anyway?
    I don't understand what people get out of Facebook. I don't
    do Facebook (there are also political reasons for that).

    I don't really understand Twitter. I don't do Twitter.

    But I *do* understand that I can grok these things only if I
    use them. Same as the Facebook and Twitter crowd at large
    will never understand Usenet.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 3, 2013
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  12. Good thing that the Gimp isn't freeware, then, but FOSS.
    (Paths are vectors)
    For which you don't need vector graphics, since you don't
    want to scale them.
    Just another proof that you need to spend *much* more time
    with the 'freeware' and really learn them.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 3, 2013
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  13. Danny D.

    Guest Guest

    completely false. very few use linux as their desktop os and of those,
    not all are linux zealots.

    linux for servers and embedded systems is a totally different story.
    other way around. linux is where you have to find and install drivers
    and/or end user software, some of which may not even exist or is
    written by end users because the manufacturer can't justify supporting
    linux. too few users to matter.

    windows and mac os include drivers for common peripherals. for hardware
    that doesn't have a built-in driver, one comes in the box or it's
    easily downloaded. it's rarely a problem.
     
    Guest, May 3, 2013
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  14. Danny D.

    Tony Cooper Guest

    If a you have Photoshop, as I do, it is hardly unsuitable for trivial
    tasks. What is unsuitable is *adding* a program to do a trivial task
    when it can be performed easily in Photoshop.

    I don't *need* Photoshop to simply crop an image. But, I have
    Photoshop, and use it for more complex editing, so it would be
    ridiculous to have a program that crops - and not much more - just
    because cropping is under-utilizing Photoshop's capability. It's not
    like it's using up a resource to use it for simple tasks.
     
    Tony Cooper, May 3, 2013
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  15. Danny D.

    Tony Cooper Guest

    No surprise here, but you've misread my post. I said I can't think of
    a single instance in recent months where I would have liked to have
    smart phone. That doesn't mean that I haven't been in the situations
    you describe. It simply means that I don't consider it an
    inconvenience to have dealt with those situations without a smart
    phone.

    Why just last weekend I was in an unfamiliar part of town, remembered
    that I needed some glove lace for my grandson's baseball mitt, and
    stopped in a 7/11 to use their phonebook to look up location of a
    sporting goods store, bought a cup of coffee to go, and used their
    bathroom. Now I know a smart phone would have allowed me to look up
    the store without stopping, but I don't think smart phones brew coffee
    or have toilet facilities.
    I carry a very good point-and-shoot in the car at all times. If I
    don't want to bring out my big, bulky dslr, I have that at hand.
     
    Tony Cooper, May 4, 2013
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  16. Danny D.

    Mayayana Guest

    | > That's a cute little phone, but - try as I might - I can't see what
    | > I'd do with it. Searching my memory, I can't think of a single
    | > instance in recent months where I would have liked to have a smart
    | > phone.
    |
    | So you do carry a dedicated navigation system with you all
    | the time, and never had the need to kill time waiting by e.g.
    | browsing news or photos, nor ever had to look up a number, an
    | address or a description of a thing or procedure or find a
    | doctor or usable eating place while outside town?
    |

    I was on the Boston subway yesterday, watching perhaps
    1/2 the people diddle their tech. In general it seemed to be
    one of two things: listening to music with earplugs or checking
    Facebook over and over. It's what young mothers refer to as
    a "pacifier" -- something to suck on in order to dull anxiety in
    an undisciplined mind. Unfortunately, a toddler (of any age)
    with a very entertaining, multi-media pacifier is going to have
    a very hard time getting weaned off of it. One becomes a slave
    to diddling, unconsciously convinced that mere boredom is a
    dangerous bogieman that must be avoided, lest one suffer
    some dire but undefined fate.

    I'm not anti-tech. I write software and do web design on
    the side. And I'm not against cellphones. I have a Tracphone
    in case I need to make a call. On the other hand,
    I have maps in my truck and a small notebook when I need
    to write things down. I read news online and in a newspaper.
    I don't need to have the latest "breaking news" while I'm
    waiting at a red light or sitting in a dentist's waiting room.
    And I certainly don't need to spend upward of $100/month
    for that.

    If one actually relates to here and now, it turns out that it
    doesn't particularly require chocolate sauce and sprinkles. One
    doesn't actually need to find a device to kill the time just
    because the mobile over one's crib has stopped spinning.

    Funny how people try so hard to "kill time" or "pass the time"
    .....whenever we're not busy frantically worried about not having
    enough time. :)
     
    Mayayana, May 4, 2013
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  17. Danny D.

    Guest Guest

    you must have done a *lot* more than just watch them to know
    specifically what they were doing on their phones.

    the only way to know they were 'checking facebook over and over' would
    be by looking over their shoulder directly at their phone. not only is
    that rude but it's downright creepy.
    yes you are, but a more appropriate description is you're anti-progress.
    for legacy hardware and legacy operating systems.

    you aren't writing apps for mobile devices. that much is clear.
    i don't think you realize just how funny that is.
    paper maps are not as up to date and much harder to use while driving.

    or are you one of those idiots who unfolds a map while trying to steer?
    there's no need to spend $100/mo.

    you are so full of misinformation, it's crazy.
    who are you to say how someone else spends their time?
     
    Guest, May 4, 2013
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  18. Danny D.

    Shadow Guest

    You must be old. I am, so I agree with this post.
    []'s
     
    Shadow, May 4, 2013
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  19. Danny D.

    POKO Guest

    When I design web pages I'm sitting at my desktop. When I'm on a
    bus/subway I'm looking not to miss my stop. I've survived 66 years
    without a smartphone and fully intend to punch out without one - I don't
    need apps. If someone tries to call me and I'm on a subway my answering
    machine takes the call. I prefer it that way - when I'm not sitting near
    a phone I'm free from all the crap that follows it. I got my wife a
    phone (unsmart) to take with her in case her car breaks down. If my
    truck breaks down I hoof it to a phone booth - works for me,
     
    POKO, May 4, 2013
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  20. Danny D.

    Mayayana Guest

    | > Funny how people try so hard to "kill time" or "pass the time"
    | >....whenever we're not busy frantically worried about not having
    | >enough time. :)
    | >
    | You must be old. I am, so I agree with this post.

    I'm 57. I know lots of older people who are addicted
    to smartphones. (And of course there's Wolfgang.)
    But I know what you mean. Younger people have grown
    up with cellphones and texting, and younger people
    like as much peer feedback as possible. It must be
    very hard to resist being in constant contact with
    one's buddies. But I worry about them. They have almost
    no experience of actual solitude, or formless time, or
    self-reliance. Their world is an abstraction, more wired
    than physical. One can see it walking down city streets.
    People seem to be getting more rude and inconsiderate,
    but I don't think that's actually what's happening.
    Rather, cellphone addicts are radically separated from
    their own physical environment. They're not where they
    are, and actually don't regard their physical location as
    relevant. ...At least not until they get hit by a truck. I
    have a blind friend who complains that in recent years
    he's had an increasing problem with people walking into
    him. And it's not just hitting his elbow as they walk by. It's
    full-speed, head-on collision.
     
    Mayayana, May 4, 2013
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