Really, how to covert PAL DVD to NTSC DVD

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Walther, Dec 6, 2004.

  1. Walther

    Walther Guest

    This question has been asked again and again but no one has an answer.
    I have a PAL DVD but want to convert it to a NTSC DVD withought losing
    all the menu features. I want to make an exact copy but convert the
    format so we can play it in our home DVD players over here.

    I have access to the Adobe family of products. Does Encore take a PAL
    DVD, plop it on your hard drive, convert it to NTSC DVD then burn

    Surely there is a program that can do this with minimal input and
    withought using 10-15 different programs.
    Walther, Dec 6, 2004
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  2. The problem is that what you're asking for is a fairly
    involved process from a technical standpoint. PAL video runs at a
    different framerate and different resolution, so in order to make it
    into an NTSC disc with all the menus intact, you'd have to extract all
    the video, audio, and menu data, convert them all to the new video
    specs, then remultiplex it all. In effect, you'd have to reauthor the
    entire disc.

    I think the easiest solution is to just get one of the many
    cheap, region-free Chinese DVD players out there that convert PAL to
    NTSC automatically.
    Neil Nadelman, Dec 6, 2004
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  3. I had a PAL region 2 DVD and created a region-free disc without
    converting it to NTSC. That disc played fine, as is, on my JVC DVD
    player, an XV-N40 model that retails for around US$100


    The playback quality probably wasn't as good as a professional PAL to
    NTSC conversion might be but it was perfectly acceptable on my 36"
    Brenna Hughes, Dec 6, 2004
  4. Walther

    Nigel Brooks Guest

    It isn't worth the time and effort.

    Just buy a DVD player which is capable of playing PAL and outputting to
    NTSC. There are plenty available.
    Here's a good starting point.

    When you find one - just take your PAL DVD to the store and try it out in
    one of the display players (which is what I did at Best Buy)
    Nigel Brooks, Dec 6, 2004
  5. Walther

    stankley Guest

    I don't think there's an easy way to do this. I'm a little surprised
    no one seems to have come up with a single program that does this (or
    at least invokes other programs to do it). Here's an approach I've
    used that works but is a pain in the butt...

    use a bitrate calculator to figure out what bitrate you need for the
    For (N=1 to maxtitles)
    use DVDShrink to reauthor a DVD that contains just title N;
    use DVD2AVI to extract the .ac3 audio and create a .d2v file;
    use Tmpgenc to open .d2v file and produce NTSC MPEG2 files (.m2v);
    use PowerDVD or other app to take screenshots of menus
    use Photoshop to edit the menus, remove highlighing etc...
    use DVDLab (or Encore, or ...) to reauthor disk with .m2v, .ac3 and
    menu screenshots.

    Hell of a lot of work! The only step here which takes any CPU time is
    the video conversion by tmpgenc (which is sloooow)
    stankley, Dec 7, 2004
  6. You also can do a HEX Dump on the VIDEO TS File on your HD, and them burn it
    on DVD

    1. DVD Decryptor >>> it will copy the DVD file to your HD
    2. Edit the HEX file in Video TS Directory >>>>> See DVDrHelp about this
    simple application (Change NTSC for PAL)
    3. Burn back the DVD >>>> Nero Recode setup in PAL
    and Voila
    Albert Duranton, Dec 7, 2004
  7. Walther

    stankley Guest

    I presume you're talking about editing the IFO files (IFOEdit's a good
    choice here) to change PAL to NTSC and to change the pixel dimensions.
    I've tried this method with very little success - some DVD players
    accept the discs, but most do not. Those that do play, do so somewhat

    If you want to make a DVD that will play anywhere, this is not the
    method to follow.

    BTW the link to the 'patch method' is...
    stankley, Dec 8, 2004
  8. Walther,

    Unfortunately you're not going to get a staight answer to this
    question. You'll get the following resposes which are either irrelevent
    or incorrect:

    1 - All dvd players will play all formats (not true)
    2 - Use 20 different programs (can be done but difficult)
    3 - Change the region encoding of the disk (also not true - region
    encoding is only half the problem and the easy half, at that. Pal and
    NTSC have different resolutions and framerates which changing region
    encoding doesn't change. Region encoding is just an easy way for the
    dvd player to know what format the disk is).
    4 - It's too hard for any one program to do (this is the most absurd
    load of crap that I've been handed. There are programs to do all of the
    steps individually - see point 2 above - so why couldn't there be one
    that does it all? Of course there could be. The question is has anyone
    written one yet?)

    The people who answer your questions will all talk down to you with an
    oh-so-clever I-know-everything-and-you-don't-know-anything
    condescending attitude but what they'll do is spout a load of absolute

    So I sympathise with you, Walther - I'm looking for that program
    myself. It has to exist somewhere (or is in the process of being
    created). If I find it I'll let you know (I hope you will reciprocate).
    At any rate, don't listen to these morons. You don't need to buy a
    multi-region dvd player (and one that just ignores multi-region
    encoding won't work anyway).
    Rex the Strange, Dec 9, 2004
  9. Walther

    Krazy Kanuck Guest


    .....Well I do NTSC DVDs with DVD-shrink and they play fine on PAL
    systems....I suppose it's a problem when you start out with a PAL and try to
    go the other way?
    Krazy Kanuck, Dec 10, 2004
  10. Walther

    Jukka Aho Guest

    Not true. The player looks up the video format from the actual MPEG
    streams and their flags - or from some other meta information in the
    video title set (VTS). (I do not know which one it is, but anyhow, you
    _can_ have PAL or NTSC formatted video on the disc regardless of the
    region, and region numbers are _not_ the device which the player uses
    for deciding about the correct playback format. You can even have both
    PAL and NTSC formatted material on the _same_ disc, even though
    commercial discs are not usually made this way.)
    Jukka Aho, Dec 10, 2004
  11. Walther

    stankley Guest

    This is just silly! Saying there ought to be one program to do it all
    is analagous to suggesting that Adobe ought to combine Photoshop +
    After Effects + Premiere + Encore. The steps of doing DVD conversion
    are as distinctive as these Adobe apps.
    stankley, Dec 10, 2004
  12. Walther

    Jumper Guest

    I pop a PAL DVD into my computer, tell my video card to pump the
    signal out the S-video cable to my big screen TV (which is NTSC) and
    everthing is fine. If the computer can internally manage the signal
    with two clicks then port it out the comptuer then DAMN RIGHT it
    should be simple to convert since it is doing it already !!!! Did I
    mention it takes two mouse clicks to play a PAL in NTSC format?

    ASYNCRONOUS bla.....bla.....bla...bla.....

    Any simple task can be made complex to the point that people say "dont
    bother then". There is obvisouly a demand for this because a Google
    search shows people for years asking how to do this. And now that
    home computers are fast enough to handle and edit video, the time is
    Jumper, Dec 10, 2004
  13. Walther

    stankley Guest

    Reading a PAL or NTSC MPEG2 and figuring out how to paint it on the
    screen is simple, nobody's disputing that. What's not simple is the
    process of conversion (see description of what it takes, above). I
    seriously doubt there is enough of a market out there to justify the
    effort. Since, as several have said above, you can spend $50US to get
    an NTSC DVD player that will play PAL discs, who would justify spending
    $50 on conversion software? And if that's unjustified, then it implies
    that taking the time and effort to write the very complex software to
    automate the process is equally unjustified.
    stankley, Dec 13, 2004
  14. Which is essentially the same answer as those of us who said
    "Buy a $30 DVD player that's multi-region and which can convert PAL to
    NTSC." When the computer outputs the PAL signal, it's resizing the
    frame to NTSC resolution and converting the framerate to one which is
    acceptable by an NTSC monitor. Yes, it's simple to do a quick and
    dirty conversion like this, but there are better ways which yield
    better results.

    Why is it that you assume that a process is easy to do just
    because the computer lets you do it in two clicks?
    Neil Nadelman, Dec 15, 2004
  15. Well that makes the suggestion of changing the region coding even more
    stupid and pointless then. Thanks for pointing that out (I'm not sure
    you're correct - if you are then there's absolutely no reason to have
    region coding). As far as PAL and NTSC on the one disk, of course you
    can - after all, in the final analysis it's all just ones and zeros.
    Rex the Strange, Dec 15, 2004
  16. Hey, don't be an ass. My point is that such a program is possible and,
    as there seems to be a huge demand for it, it would behoove someone to
    create it.
    Rex the Strange, Dec 15, 2004
  17. Walther

    Jukka Aho Guest

    There is a _strong reason_ for using regional codes, but that reason has
    nothing to do with the PAL/NTSC issues per se [1] - and curiously, it
    has even _less_ to do with consumer satisfaction. You might want to read
    more about the scheme here:


    (Of course the originally envisioned total regional lockout system has
    now failed quite miserably, as most of the currently sold players can be
    made region free, one way or the other, in the simplest case just by
    accessing a hidden service menu or by entering a secret code [or a
    special button sequence] on the remote.)


    [1] For instance, both Europe and Japan are lumped together under the
    same region number (Region 2), yet these areas use different video
    standards: Europeans PAL, the Japanese NTSC. In other words, if you buy
    a Japanese DVD it will be a Region 2 disc in the NTSC format. If you buy
    a European DVD it will be a Region 2 disc in the PAL format: region code
    does not dictate the video standard.

    Now, if you were to take your Japanese "Region 2" DVD to Europe (or vice
    versa) you would be able to play it back just fine provided your DVD
    player and TV can cope with the "foreign" tv standard. (Most of the DVD
    players sold in Europe are multistandard by design and also most of the
    tv sets currently sold in Europe can display 525/60 signals as well as
    the regular PAL-style 625/50 signals.)
    Jukka Aho, Dec 15, 2004
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