Recording from a remote, mounted camera

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by George Adams, Jul 21, 2005.

  1. George Adams

    George Adams Guest

    Wow, thank you everyone who has helped me with this question! I'm
    really very grateful for the tips you're giving me!

    Some of the posters requested some clarification, and your comments are
    helping me to think through this project more thoroughly. I'll try to
    answer what I can if it helps.

    The camera will be mounted on the wall (25 feet was probably a bad
    estimate - let's say more like 15-18 feet high). The DVD recorder
    (whether PC-based or standalone) will be in an audio cabinet a short
    distance away. The audio equipment is manned during church services, so
    someone will be there to operate the DVD recorder (starting and stopping
    the recording). I'd guess the wiring from the camera to the DVD
    recorder (going through the walls, around the corner, etc.) will be
    about 25-30 feet.

    In terms of video output, I had made a blind guess that connecting the
    camera to the DVD recorder firewire-to-firewire would give me the best
    quality. Was that a bad guess? Would it be just as good (or better) to
    connect them via S-Video or (assuming the camera supports it) component
    video?

    I hadn't thought about it, but those of you who said that I really just
    need a camera and not a camcorder may have something there. Like I
    said, I don't need it to record anything onboard - I just need a
    camera-type device that can send a high-quality video signal down the
    line (IEEE1394, S-Video, component). We'll get our audio from the sound
    mixer, so we don't need to rely on the camera/camcorder's built-in mic.
    And I guess we'd need a camera that can zoom in on the pulpit from
    60-70 feet away.

    Whether it's a camera or camcorder, we would definitely need something
    that will power on and begin "broadcasting" - sending the video signal
    over the wire - as soon as power is sent to it. After the camera has
    powered on and is broadcasting, we'll start the DVD recorder manually.

    From what I read, there's a distinction between "Off" and "Standby".
    Does "Standby" just mean that the camera is on and broadcasting its
    signal via the wire, even though its "Record" button hasn't been pushed?
    That's definitely what we want, and if it goes into that mode upon
    having its power connected, then that's perfect.

    In terms of quality, we want it to be decent. We've lived for a while
    with a 10-year-old camera recording to a VCR in LP mode, so we're not
    super-picky about quality. But we'd want it to be better than your
    typical Walmart webcam.

    Finally, cost. This hasn't come up yet, but if I had to guess, I'd say
    that we could spend several hundred dollars on the right equipment.

    Could anyone give some recommendations of brands/models that might fit
    the bill here, so I can start narrowing down my research without having
    to try every camera/camcorder in the store?

    Thanks again very much! I appreciate the education I'm getting here.
     
    George Adams, Jul 22, 2005
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  2. Presumably the wireless transmitter comes with a receiver? Which has
    some sort of standard video output.

    But he doesn't need wireless. This is inside a building. He can get
    power to the camera, he can run a signal cable from the camera.
     
    Laurence Payne, Jul 22, 2005
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  3. This is yet another reason why you don't need a camcorder :)
    So what's wrong with this system? If you want a better camera, or
    this one is broken, get one. They come in all prices and qualities.
    If you want to record to DVD instead of VCR, surely there are
    recorders that have a camera input?
     
    Laurence Payne, Jul 22, 2005
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  4. Oh, you want it cheap :) I thought churches were rolling in money?

    Tell us again just what is wrong with your present setup? Is it just
    that you want to record directly to DVD instead of VCR?
     
    Laurence Payne, Jul 22, 2005
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  5. George Adams

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

     
    :::Jerry::::, Jul 22, 2005
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  6. George Adams

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    I totally agree with your comments about the OP's question, what I'm
    questioning is the remark about maximum 1394 cable length, either
    Tony is correct and people are selling 'snake oil' products or Tony
    is incorrect / behind the times.
     
    :::Jerry::::, Jul 22, 2005
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  7. George Adams

    Ken P. Guest

    What everyone else said, plus:

    You may want to look into finding a good camcorder whose transport has died.
    Most of these still have perfectly fine imaging sections. I've got a few of
    these I've hooked up for just the sort of thing you're talking about and
    they make really nice house cameras. The Sonys will power up with a wall
    switch and send composite video just fine. You could save lots of $ that
    way.

    Your 25' will turn into much more when wire runs are considered. Svideo is
    questionable at great lengths as the timing between the Y/C will drift with
    cable length. There's also not much appreciable difference between Svideo
    and composite IMHO, at least not enough to warrant the extra expense and
    lack of flexibility. I run a good composite cable to these and can then plug
    it into anything I want to record on. Flexibility is a wonderful thing.

    You may also want to consider adding a LANC controller such as the ProZoom
    from Studio1. Zoom control can be very handy in remote settings.

    Ken P.
     
    Ken P., Jul 22, 2005
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  8. George Adams

    George Adams Guest

    Oh, you want it cheap :) I thought churches were rolling in money?

    Heh. :) We'll probably pay what it takes to do this right (within
    reason!) but, no, I wouldn't say we're buried under mounds of cash.
    The old camera bit the dust a couple of weeks ago. So, now that we're
    in the market for a new camera, we're trying to make sure we do it
    right, and get something that will work with the DVD recorder we're
    going to buy around the same time.

    I've not had any luck calling local camera/camcorder shops, though, and
    asking them "Does your camera switch on as soon as it starts getting
    power through the electrical cable? And does it begin sending video
    signals over the IEEE 1394 or S-Video jacks as soon as its on, even if
    you haven't pressed "Record"? " These are such unusual requirements (at
    least for typical consumers) that sales clerks generally have no clue
    whether any given camera can do either of those things. :-(
     
    George Adams, Jul 22, 2005
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  9. George Adams

    Guest Guest

    |> Oh, you want it cheap :) I thought churches were rolling in money?
    |
    | Heh. :) We'll probably pay what it takes to do this right (within
    | reason!) but, no, I wouldn't say we're buried under mounds of cash.
    |
    |> Tell us again just what is wrong with your present setup? Is it just
    |> that you want to record directly to DVD instead of VCR?
    |
    | The old camera bit the dust a couple of weeks ago. So, now that we're
    | in the market for a new camera, we're trying to make sure we do it
    | right, and get something that will work with the DVD recorder we're
    | going to buy around the same time.
    |
    | I've not had any luck calling local camera/camcorder shops, though, and
    | asking them "Does your camera switch on as soon as it starts getting
    | power through the electrical cable? And does it begin sending video
    | signals over the IEEE 1394 or S-Video jacks as soon as its on, even if
    | you haven't pressed "Record"? " These are such unusual requirements (at
    | least for typical consumers) that sales clerks generally have no clue
    | whether any given camera can do either of those things. :-(

    Sales clerks have no clue. They just memorize the sales brochures they
    are given in training. They don't know what any of it means.
     
    Guest, Jul 22, 2005
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  10. George Adams

    Owamanga Guest

    Sales clerks....training?

    You are giving them far too much credit.

    If you want a store where sales actually know their stuff, Home Depot
    is the only choice. Unfortunately they sell nails & paint, not
    cameras.

    ...and Walmart if you want sales people who can remember both world
    wars.
     
    Owamanga, Jul 22, 2005
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  11. George Adams

    marks542004 Guest

    replace your vcr with a digital dvd recorder (walmart $120) . Use the
    existing camera, if it is broken buy another similar.

    For your requirement I do not believe the complications of digital
    camera, firewire, repeaters etc is going to do anything for the
    quality.
     
    marks542004, Jul 22, 2005
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  12. That's because you've been asking for a camcorder. Which isn't what
    you need <yawn>
     
    Laurence Payne, Jul 22, 2005
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  13. George Adams

    Tony Morgan Guest

    URL:
    <http://www.ipodessentials.co.uk/products/cables/firewire6-4pin10meters.h
    tml>

    seems to say it all: "Allows connection between 6pin and 4pin FireWire
    devices and is 10 metres in length. Please note that many FireWire
    devices will not work over this distance, please check with your device
    manufacturer."

    And the specs of all the Googled 10m Firewire cables I have found are
    IEEE 1394b, *not* IEEE 1394. Most are for the Unibrain cable and the
    conditional quoted above is for that cable.
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 22, 2005
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  14. George Adams

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    .....and that is were inline repeaters seem to come in.....
     
    :::Jerry::::, Jul 22, 2005
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  15. George Adams

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    Why do so many ill-formatted posts come from Yahoo accounts, and why
    do so many people using Yahoo accounts jump into sub threads with
    diss-jointed remarks?
     
    :::Jerry::::, Jul 22, 2005
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  16. Assuming we can add "AOL" to "Yahoo" and that it is a
    rhetorical question.
     
    Richard Crowley, Jul 22, 2005
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  17. George Adams

    Alpha Guest

    Call B&H photo for advice. If you want a camera with remote zoom control
    (mentioned above, and therefore has a monitor unit as well as sending the
    signal to a recorder) your church better start a campaign to raise some $$.
     
    Alpha, Jul 22, 2005
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  18. George Adams

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Indeed. I've got one built into my Pyro Firewire external HDD.
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 23, 2005
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  19. George Adams

    Tony Morgan Guest

    And Hotmail.
     
    Tony Morgan, Jul 23, 2005
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  20. George Adams

    kashe Guest

    You would be well advised to get competent legal help before
    doing any audio recording of speech. As far as I've heard, the laws
    are different for voice recording and video recording.
     
    kashe, Jul 30, 2005
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